Is Twintania really a two tank fight?

[Cryvil]

I'm having trouble seeing what the second tank does that's so important in turn 5. Most Phase 2 approaches seem to eschew tank-swapping. Phase 3:L3 AOE LB. Phase 4 is always solo-tank. And in Phase 5, the OT's duty(eating eggs in neurolink) can be performed by anybody. It seems all the OT is doing is playing backup for when the MT dies...Planning for failure instead of planning for success. Isn't this a lesson we learned already in Titan? Wouldn't it be better to swap the OT for a 3rd healer so the MT doesn't die in the first place?

Which brings us to the real challenge...Phase 1. I'm not saying that the MT surviving until the trash is dead would be easy(even with 3 healers), but 1000characters.

Every video shows two tanks. These groups obviously know the fight very well and wouldn't be using a suboptimal strategy...so I assume I'm missing something important. What is it?

[EmSix]

The only part I'd say an off tank even helps on really is the Snake phase, aside from that they really do nothing but act like a mediocre DPS.

[Zdenka]

Every video shows two tanks.

There is one video where someone has used 1 tank and 5 DPS.

There's several reasons to use 2 tanks:

1. PLD is actually really awesome at bursting Conflag's.
2. PLD has the best stun set for DKs.
3. Steadier add's.
4. Mediocre DPS allows you to have a buffer to fail somewhat and still win... with 3 healer DPS can't fail at all, with the 13m enrage.

Basically it makes the fight more consistent to use a 2nd tank. Its not really that much more safe than having a DRG or MNK tank adds, but you'll be able to kill them more reliably and its a lot more survivable so that you won't see any DPS "tanks" getting auto-gibbed which effectively could waste 10 minutes in your DPS tank drops during Snakes.


I will disagree with you however, swapping the OT for another healer is even more useless than having the OT. The only reason you even need 2 healers in the fight is due to Conflag and DK mechanics otherwise this fight would be potentially able to complete with a single healer. It still might be anyways but would require just a tad of luck to never have the healer inside either of those mechanics ^^;

[CalvatE]

1. PLD is actually really awesome at bursting Conflag's.

Everytime we've had a Warrior in DPS stance they've pulled out a good 50%+ more than a PLD does. And since when did it become about PLD vs WAR anyway?

I don't think Twintania requires two tanks, but it's most definitely the safer route due to adds existing.

[MisakiSatomi]

It just helps in the scourge and snake phase, that's just about it.

[Zdenka]

Everytime we've had a Warrior in DPS stance they've pulled out a good 50%+ more than a PLD does. And since when did it become about PLD vs WAR anyway?

I don't think Twintania requires two tanks, but it's most definitely the safer route due to adds existing.

We've never used a WAR off tank for the fight so I didn't want to presume to know what a WAR can do, the same why I specifically mention PLD for the stun. If that's true that its +50% that would mean WAR does the most damage to Conflagration out of all classes which is actually impressive.

[Cryvil]

The only reason you even need 2 healers in the fight is due to Conflag and DK mechanics otherwise this fight would be potentially able to complete with a single healer. It still might be anyways but would require just a tad of luck to never have the healer inside either of those mechanics ^^;

That sounds like so much fun...I'm putting the 1-1-6 Twintania run on my FF14 bucket list. If targetted by Conflag, couldn't the tank just hop on in? And if targetted by the DK stun, I would think the 6 DPS would have DK dead before Hallowed Ground wears off.

Phase 5 sounds like a solo-healing nightmare though, with people eating eggs and liquid hell shots while the tank is playing punching bag for the boss.

[Contemporary]

We have a full DPS warrior (lodestone here) in our group and he offtanks just fine. His dps is constantly being parsed as relatively the same as a Bard using a song, and he is able to burst down conflags quite well. I actually prefer having a a PLD/WAR combo over double PLD. In my opinion, the two compliment each other as well as a WHM and SCH.

[Cousinjimmy]

There's RNG involved as always -- if you run one Tank there's a chance that he'll get targeted by Hatch multiple times in a row in the last phase. It is also easier with an off-tank to burn down Asp during snake phase when the small snakes are collapsed in during LB3. Our Plds parse about 120k on Twintania while Blm goes for about 220k in last week's win.

[Zdenka]

That sounds like so much fun...I'm putting the 1-1-6 Twintania run on my FF14 bucket list. If targetted by Conflag, couldn't the tank just hop on in? And if targetted by the DK stun, I would think the 6 DPS would have DK dead before Hallowed Ground wears off.

Phase 5 sounds like a solo-healing nightmare though, with people eating eggs and liquid hell shots while the tank is playing punching bag for the boss.

Its basically involves some form of luck to actually do it, if its even really possible. (If I suggested we even try I'd get yelled at so much). I am pretty confident if you manage to minimize damage inputs from the very start (Scourges) and the snakes phase you could 1 healer it down to at least the final phase and then get EXTREMELY lucky you might be able to pull it off. Its probably something to occupy some time when bored, at least to try ^^;