Which Fairy IS better?

[cainejw]

*Sigh*

No information was omitted purposefully. Any defensiveness is in reaction to a post which seemed to point to the logs themselves being an error instead of elements in those logs being an error. You've also assumed my approach. I have no partiality to Eos or Selene. That should be evident in the fact that I have used the logs to conclude that initial assessment shows both faeries are useful in different ways (Eos for heals, Selene for DPS).



Eos seems to give a larger benefit to healers than Selene to healers. Selene gives a larger benefit to DPS than Selene to DPS.

I think cainejw's issue is that he has a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Fairies and their buffs work. He previously did a "test" on Selene v Eos's Embrace and to see if there was a potency difference between Place and Heel. Of course, the difference between the two is casting frequency, not potency.

For what it's worth, having a trial with 2x the HPS of the others seems like an odd thing to keep in.

At the end of the day, not even using Fey Light seems to illustrate the misunderstanding of the discussion. Eos's skills, with their long CD's and relative weakness, don't have any major impact on a fight. While Selene's buffs aren't super effectual either, any increase in DPS that gives you an HPS increase on a lower CD is superior to Eos's buffs.

Oh, look, it's you again. I identified why I worked my preliminary examination, identified as such, in the way I did. No logger was known, at that time, to log the effects of HOTs on Eos. As such, the only possible comparison was Embrace. That has since changed. You've ignored that multiple times. Why? Because you want to state, without exclusion, that Selene is the best in every single situation.

You are incorrect now once again, Rainsford. Selene does not benefit spell casters in a statistically significant way over Eos as outcomes are mixed. I can actually give you the spreadsheets to back that up. Or, if you'd like:

t-tests per DPS, independent single-sample t-test (testing each sample, the DPS, to a mean) with significance .05 and a t-crit of +/- 1.753. Columns 1 and 3 are Selene DPS, 2 and 4 are Eos DPS.

1.285714286 3.489795918 1.857142857 -3.612244898
4.06122449 8.387755102 19.97959184 2.102040816
-10.79591837 -10.2244898 -5.979591837 -7.775510204
0.795918367 2.183673469 -0.510204082 -5.163265306


4.994641549 -1.912411187 1.201982507 2.417712387
5.789513344 -3.616215671 3.738036929 4.460237304
-4.279822083 -8.061869489 -3.723705863 -1.759031799
4.309398221 -2.982705971 -0.834428247 0.261281443


Notice that both Eos and Selene returns statistically significant results meaning that both DPS are beyond the mean values for this group.

Same for healers:

-1.384615385 -2.540659341 -2.529230769 4.189010989
0.957066144 0.662857143 -1.988571429 4.379340659

t-crit is +/- 2.3 showing again mixed results.

Both showing mixed results means that the variance is likely accounted for elsewhere than the faerie itself. I'm still operationalizing correlation so I can then see how much variance is accounted for by the faerie, but that's a dichotomous variable, so I'll have to work that out at a later date. This is how this stuff is supposed to work when you attempt to hypothesize that one faerie is superior to another.

Conclusion of statistical test: There's no clear outcome. The use of faeries is mixed. This means that no one faerie is universally superior to another.

EDIT: Adding more in, comparing a Selene run from tonight with Eos/Selene above, using both of Selene's buffs. Comparing to Selene A, the DPS is about the same:

Selene A:

BLM - 267.97
MNK - 277.71
BRD - 154.36
BLM - 259.58

Selene C:

BLM - 287.93
MNK - 253.80
BRD - 189.51
BLM - 287.47

Eos B:

BLM - 236.40
MNK - 261.42
BRD - 185.24
BLM - 209.33

It would appear as if the group that loses the largest from Selene's absence is Black Mage. Monks may lose DPS due to Selene, but this could again be a confound. Bard appears to be relatively unfazed. Keep in mind that this is with both buffs in rotation.

Of course, more testing will be necessary. However, both healers lost 100+ HPS. This may be due to any number of things including faerie. Again, hard to isolate. The data seems to continue to show that the DPS benefit from Selene but healing loses quite a bit of healing from Eos.

The real issue here is the log reliability. Frankly, I'm not convinced they're reliable.

[Rainsford]

*snip*

But their Embraces have nothing to do with it.

Again, the discussion is focused on the buffs, Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn vs. Fey Light and Fey Glow.

If you DPSed straight on a dummy, the class that most benefits from Spell Speed is BLM and the DPS increase from Fey Glow, again, is 6%. I'd assume that the increase in healing is the same if you spammed heals for the duration, but I don't know why you'd do that.

This means that, at most, Selene gives a 3% increase in overall DPS. You'll never be able to reliably test that in a real-world scenario with a parser, especially since some of the benefit comes from stuff that's non-measurable (being able to avoid mechanics easier, etc).

So again, I feel like you're just wasting your time. Eos's buffs are focused around healing, but considering that the content is easily healable with two WHM's or Selene, Eos doesn't serve a function. Even if Selene's average DPS and HPS increase was 1%, it's superior to Eos. From a mechanics perspective, Eos doesn't bring enough to the table to be more attractive compared to Selene.