Tanking, I think we have a problem

[Doo]

In ffxi, most dds can get hate any time they want. The smart ones just know when to do it.

[Reiterpallasch]

In ffxi, most dds can get hate any time they want.

Because in FFXI, the enmity formulas were completely @#$%ed, and had an extremely low cap that most people could reach with a weaponskill or two. Once people were capped, the mob would just spin like a top attacking the last person to hit it.

[Steeled]

In ffxi, most dds can get hate any time they want. The smart ones just know when to do it.

Because in FFXI, the enmity formulas were completely @#$%ed, and had an extremely low cap that most people could reach with a weaponskill or two. Once people were capped, the mob would just spin like a top attacking the last person to hit it.

You guys are talking about 2 different points in XI.

The enmity formulas worked fine at 75, but they broke at level cap increased, and the devs just never cared to try to fix it. They did tweak healing's enmity, but they were quite okay with monks, samurais, etc tanking.

In old XI, dd's could get hate, if they were geared, and dumb but they knew how to watch their hate and do the best dps they could. In new XI, yeah, you can enmity cap in a single weaponskill. Tanking hasn't existed in that game in 3 years or more, and if it weren't for supertanking (worked the same as tonberry king's adds. They attack the tank until someone does something to them), noone would have brought paladins to anything, and they didn't bring ninjas.

[Parasoth]

You guys are talking about 2 different points in XI.

The enmity formulas worked fine at 75, but they broke at level cap increased, and the devs just never cared to try to fix it. They did tweak healing's enmity, but they were quite okay with monks, samurais, etc tanking.

No, it wasn't. Before WOTG even came out people were already doing most end-game without PLD because after everyone hits hate cap in the alliance, the PLD isn't doing enough DPS to maintain hate or even bounce it, which made it pointless to bring when you could get a WAR/NIN who was top DPS and bounced hate just fine.

Also, don't give me crap about "well your DPS don't know when to hold back." They shouldn't HAVE to hold back, especially when there is an option that ALLOWED them to not hold back.