The Solo disease?

[thedevilsjester]

I know tons of people who have infact complained that they tried forming groups and end up only finding soloi'ers who do go "no i do not party" When your trying to start a party and 10 replies are like that it can get very frustrating.

You know what also is frusterating? When you are trying to play the game and you get a bunch of tells from random people pestering you to party with them, and them getting angry when you choose to continue the task you are currently doing instead. You know what this also says about the MMORPG? That there are a ton of people that prefer to solo.

as they are one less person who are willing to join groups. The more soloers less amount of groups can happem. This effects group based mmo Like ffxiv. And it a reason ffxiv had grouping issues and why they made the game "easier".

Your math couldn't be more off. Its not like soloers are taking up a space that could be filled by a grouper. If all the soloers quit right this instant (as many groupers would apparently like us to do), you would still have the exact same amount of people wanting to party, and probably a horrible economy and a game that couldn't sustain itself on its monthly subs. (The fact that FFXIV is not taking in subs at the moment aside).

A party to level or do content should not take 6 hours to form because the only people free are the soloist who are not interested.

This is an invalid assumption. I spent sometimes literally days trying to get parties in the first few years of FFXI. A game designed entirely for groups with little to no content that could be soloed. Sometimes parties are hard to find just because you do not have enough people online at any one time that are interested in doing exactly what you want to do at the level you want to do it, with the class you want to do it with. Thats just math for ya.

I'm all for options unless it effects people negatively.

What is your definition of negatively? Would calling large groups of people anti-social and claim they are a bane on MMORPG's and that they should find another game fall under the "effecting people negatively" umbrella? (Not that this is you personally, just a collection of thoughts from this topic).

If FFXIV is to grow and be a big time player in the MMORPG business (that is what "we" want, isn't it?) then there must surely be a place in the game for all different playstyles.

It is most definitely what I want. FFXIV is, and is shaping up to be even more, the perfect MMO. I want nothing more than for it to be popular with all the play styles.

Also to the OP, what anti solo threads are you talking about? so far this is the only thread to be about soloing.

There are many threads about soloing, but I do not mean specific anti-soloing threads. I mean threads that tend to be about other topics, where soloing gets brought up often. And its not always anti-soloing, like I said, it is sometimes people defending soloists, but doing so with the back of their hand (i.e. they put forth in soloers defence the concept that soloers solo because they do not have enough time, and they would rather group but just can't). I started this topic to inform people that it is not the case for a lot of us.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

As i stated before, soloers decided to join mmorpg which are community games. It should be a well known opinion that you are apart of said community and there may be a few "expectations" depending on which mmo you play. There are infact different mmo styles. Group based mmo who's MAIN FOCUS is group content ffxi, ffxiv, and older mmo fall under these. And there are solo based mmo, where a player can solo most of the content. these games are WoW and most games made after WoW. And finally there is the social mmo these games are more about chating and mini games. Games like second life fall under this catagory.

The soloist as OP decide what mmo to play. If they play a group based one, they truely have no right to change it to cater to them. Pick an mmo that caters to your enjoyment, not demand it to cater to your needs.

[Xandre]

I'm not trying to be rude only showing them and others a different perspective. I do not care if anyone solos mmo, just do not always refuse to do stuff with others. It effects ppl when you do that

I don't think you should necessarily expect another player to constantly participate in group related tasks. That's somewhat selfish. However, regarding MMO, there appears to be those that are more solo friendly, while in Final Fantasy's case, there are those more group oriented. Regarding the players who enjoy playing solo, I think they should understand that FFXI and FFXIV are titles that are more resistant to their style of play and should take that into consideration when discussing it. Perhaps another MMO is better suited for them. Then again, my opinion doesn't really matter.

[Leeloo]

The soloist as OP decide what mmo to play. If they play a group based one, they truely have no right to change it to cater to them. Pick an mmo that caters to your enjoyment, not demand it to cater to your needs.

You say you've read this thread, but I dunno...

[Kilta_Firelotus]

TDJ i highly suggest stop twisting my posts to be negative. You starting drama all on your own and acting like a chained dog getting beat on. I have every right to tell you my side of the story and how soloers effected my game play as well as my friends. It should npt be hard to find people to party with. And no it isn't pestering. There is a right and wrong way to handle things. Just tell people your busy. But if you say no because i'm s soloer it is a slap in the face to someone else.
The more people who solo group based mmo does infact mean the less likelyhood of a group being formed. If groups are not being formed then someone who does enjoy groups can't find one. They can't enjoy the game the way they want.

Also stop assunming people are being pests, or rude. Your replies have been rude. Want people not to get on the case of solo'ers, set a good example and DO NOT insult people who show you a the other side of it.
instead of fighting with me or other players, consider what is being said.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

You say you've read this thread, but I dunno...

I've read every reply. 3 times over. Thedevisjester has asked for or highly suggested in more content that is scaled to be good for solo'ers (and groupist or so he claim) But He /she has yet to consider the ramifications of scaling down content can do. If content can be solo'ed, then this wouldn't be a group based mmo. But a solo based mmo. So ya he is infact asking for a change.

[Dubont]

I've read every reply. 3 times over.

Honestly, I doubt it. Back to the shadows I go. AWAY!

[Kilta_Firelotus]

What is your definition of negatively? Would calling large groups of people anti-social and claim they are a bane on MMORPG's and that they should find another game fall under the "effecting people negatively" umbrella? (Not that this is you personally, just a collection of thoughts from this topic).

My deffinition is I enjoy playing mmo in groups, and try to find people i can group with. If i find that most people I ask pulls the "no i solo" card (mostly due to groups are filled up at this point and only soloers are free) Then it is disheartening. And I can't enjoy the game the way I wish. And be force to play by myself. This happen to be in WoW. I didn't realise it was a solo mmo till I played it. I then quit it because I got bored being by myself. That is why I played ffxi and now ffxiv. because they are group based mmo and grouping is expected by the community. Find an mmo who community caters to your enjoyment, not battle the community to cater to your style. (not saying your doing this)

[Leeloo]

I have an urge to watch '50 First Dates' now. Perhaps 'Groundhog's Day'...

[thedevilsjester]

I've read every reply. 3 times over. Thedevisjester has asked for or highly suggested in more content that is scaled to be good for solo'ers (and groupist or so he claim) But He /she has yet to consider the ramifications of scaling down content can do. If content can be solo'ed, then this wouldn't be a group based mmo. But a solo based mmo. So ya he is infact asking for a change.

Really? Are you sure you read them? I didn't suggest, ever, that SE scale more content, or change any content at all. Please stop trying to push this point you just pulled out of thin air.

It should npt be hard to find people to party with.

And thats a soloers fault is it? If you cannot find a tank because a lot of people are playing a caster, is that the casters fault?

As you said, if you join a group MMO you should expect to group. If you join a solo MMO you should expect to solo. By that very logic, if you join a hybrid MMO which FFXIV most definitly is (a large part of their advertising campaign included touting their solo content, and a large portion of the content is soloable) then you should expect to have a good mixture of soloers and groupers. If you cannot handle that, then by your own logic, shouldnt you be playing a pure group based game like FFXI? I do not think you should have to, all are welcome in FFXIV!

And I can't enjoy the game the way I wish. And be force to play by myself.

So instead, soloists should cater to you, and be forced to play in a group, and not play the way they wish? Is that a bit arrogant?