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    Player ashikenshin's Avatar
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    I think they want to beat it some more. Apparently it's not dead enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    Istanced dungeons ? Always existed. FFXI had a lot, even dynamis was an istance.
    Quest based progression ? you don't wanna know how it's old. This is probably the only thing FFXI invented, the mass open world grind to exp (and it had a lot of flaws, let's not forget)
    First instanced dungeon I remember came out with Everquest Lost Dungeons of Norrath (LDoN) if I recall correctly. (even hated them back then as well lol)

    Quest based progression actually started oldschool back in text based MUDs, as did most of the other points you referred to as well
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhas View Post
    First instanced dungeon I remember came out with Everquest Lost Dungeons of Norrath (LDoN) if I recall correctly. (even hated them back then as well lol)

    Quest based progression actually started oldschool back in text based MUDs, as did most of the other points you referred to as well
    The Realm had instanced dungeons and that came out well before EQ. I doubt that it was the first game to do so either.
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    I agree with most of your points, besides the 1.2x battle system, gearswitch, and no instanced dungeons. I loved XI but I couldn't handle another 'auto-attack' based battle system which is why I only lasted a week in 1.0. Gearswitch to me was always a silly concept. And removing dungeons from endgame is a step in the wrong direction. Removing options from endgame is a poor solution, we should instead have more options with his to spend our time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkune View Post
    Is it his own game? or just a clone from another common MMORPG to make Moneyfor a short period of time? Think about it.
    Oh the irony.

    Considering SWTOR has made more money than FF XI (exponentially) for the past 5+ years of XIs life in the short timespan that SWTOR has been around, if making money really is the goal of games, and making money over its life, even a wowclone that goes F2P is a better business model than a niche-focused game that burns "bright" for a short year or two and then peters out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orsnoire View Post
    Considering SWTOR has made more money than FF XI (exponentially)
    Except it didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orsnoire View Post
    WoW Clone is the best.
    SWTOR: (Wow Clone)

    After launch, the game's subscribers rose to 1.7 million by February 2012.[39] By May 2012, those numbers fell to 1.3 million.[40] By July 2012, the subscriber base fell below 1 million, prompting EA to convert the game to free to play. EA stated that 500,000 subscribers were needed to make the game profitable saying that they were "well above" that number.[41] On November 15, 2012, the free-to-play option went live on all servers.

    TERA Online (non WoW Clone)

    In March 2013, after switching to a free-to-play business model, the game passed 1.4 million registered accounts

    Oh right? People want WoW clone ... Are you kidding me?
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merph View Post
    The Realm had instanced dungeons and that came out well before EQ. I doubt that it was the first game to do so either.
    Not sure I remember playing that one hehe, But I've played so many it's possible heheh
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    Last edited by Rhas; 11-06-2013 at 06:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemight View Post
    TERA Online (non WoW Clone)

    In March 2013, after switching to a free-to-play business model, the game passed 1.4 million registered accounts

    Oh right? People want WoW clone ... Are you kidding me?
    Are you telling me that TERA didn't use concepts from WoW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    This is not a WoW clone, just like every game it's not a clone because they have a hotbar and tiered progression. also, if you say this is a clone, isn't a contraddiction asking to clone instead a different game ? Because you feel FFXI it's better, a cloning is a cloning, period. And you have no guarantee nor the right to say it would sell better.

    edit: say "i dont say it has to be XI-HD" don't change the fact it's what you asked.Also, "but it should more unique" following that sentence it's another contraddiction.

    No

    > It IS a Wowclone.
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