[[ Why do we miss the old FFXI community ]] What made it special ??

[Machazareel]

You know you've done it.

Guilty as charged.

[Kazamoto]

I'm noticing an odd trend in this thread.

The people who type clearly, and politely, and with good grammar generally seem to have fond memories of FFXI's community.

The people who are snippy, sarcastic, rude, or just say "lol rose colored nostalgia glasses, ffxi was tehsuck" seem to have negative memories of FFXI's community.

Could it be that people with these negative experiences were perhaps deserving of the treatment they got?

[LobsterBisque]

I'm noticing an odd trend in this thread.

The people who type clearly, and politely, and with good grammar generally seem to have fond memories of FFXI's community.

The people who are snippy, sarcastic, rude, or just say "lol rose colored nostalgia glasses, ffxi was tehsuck" seem to have negative memories of FFXI's community.

Could it be that people with these negative experiences were perhaps deserving of the treatment they got?

Wow did you really just post that? Sure let's take one post and just assume people are jerks all the time. Did you miss the part where I said I enjoyed the game? I realize that doesn't fit into your narrative so you probably skipped it.

Arguing things on their merits is fine, debasing people on the other side of the argument because you don't agree with it is not.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Kazamoto]

When talking about a community, one must also consider how an individual relates to that community.

If a person has 8 failed marriages, is the issue with the people they marry, or perhaps with the person themselves?

I intentionally did not quote ANYONE in this thread, but if you look back on this thread, and compared the way people typed, to their stance on the issue, i think statistically, my observation would hold true.

Are you suggesting it is impossible for the people who are being rude in this thread, to be received negatively into a community, and have a negative response?

The substance of this argument, is the communities of these games. Some view the FFXI community as mostly welcoming and helpful. Others view the community as closed and elitist.

A community is made of of individuals, and the truest answer is the FFXI community had individuals that were helpful, and it had individuals who were toxic.

My point, is that the people who seem to have had negative experiences, speak in a manner, that would suggest they are of the latter rather than the former.

[Machazareel]

*snip*

I dunno bro, back in my days as a top dog in XI, I loved the community, but I was a complete asshole.

[Kazamoto]

But I can already tell, a charming asshole.

[Orsnoire]

When talking about a community, one must also consider how an individual relates to that community.

If a person has 8 failed marriages, is the issue with the people they marry, or perhaps with the person themselves?


I intentionally did not quote ANYONE in this thread, but if you look back on this thread, and compared the way people typed, to their stance on the issue, i think statistically, my observation would hold true.

Are you suggesting it is impossible for the people who are being rude in this thread, to be received negatively into a community, and have a negative response?

The substance of this argument, is the communities of these games. Some view the FFXI community as mostly welcoming and helpful. Others view the community as closed and elitist.

A community is made of of individuals, and the truest answer is the FFXI community had individuals that were helpful, and it had individuals who were toxic.

My point, is that the people who seem to have had negative experiences, speak in a manner, that would suggest they are of the latter rather than the former.

Oh the sweet, sweet irony. A person making ad hominem as their primary modus of arugmentation claiming "They must have just been jerks to think that the community was bad."

Let's turn that around, shall we? Passive-agressive people lacking in logic and argumentation skills are more likely to have thought that FF XI had a good community.

[Argent_Wings]

I'm noticing an odd trend in this thread.

The people who type clearly, and politely, and with good grammar generally seem to have fond memories of FFXI's community.

The people who are snippy, sarcastic, rude, or just say "lol rose colored nostalgia glasses, ffxi was tehsuck" seem to have negative memories of FFXI's community.

Could it be that people with these negative experiences were perhaps deserving of the treatment they got?

LOL no. As I mentioned in my post, I stayed all the way up to Aht Urghan, which was about 2 1/2 to 3 years of FFXI during which I never once considered it's competitor World of Warcraft. My job with my school district left me with entire summers off to play and play I did. It was a great game for it's time and despite the exp grind, I had little complaints about the game design. It was the community and the fact that class elitism, MPKing and gilbuying were socially acceptable(though most people would still never admit to the last one)and anyone who claims such things didn't exist was likely among those who had friends in high places and never had to be on the receiving end. Either that or they played FFXI after they increased the cap, leveling became easier and people could solo Dynamis and most HNMs.

The long spawn windows and even longer respawn times made entire groups of players rabid to claim mobs over others and there was almost always drama on loot distribution afterwards. WHMs were abused for not having Erase when they were supposed to, despite every non-WHM charging 300k+ for it, many people wouldn't accept anything less than a Raise III because of the death penalty and on the other side of the coin, having to heal for anything other than the most unavoidable circumstances made all but the most brutally geared Paladins a less-than-optimal choice for tank in a majority of relevant encounters.

Pay attention to most threads concerning Binding Coil of Bahamut and you will see a lot of the same things going on here. Some classes through no fault of their own are already struggling to advance without their static raid groups because people discriminate based on what they think they know about someone else.

[Kazamoto]

Oh the sweet, sweet irony. A person making ad hominem as their primary modus of arugmentation claiming "They must have just been jerks to think that the community was bad."

Also, let's turn that around, shall we? People who are passive-agressive people lacking in logic and argumentation skills are more likely to have thought that FF XI had a good community.

The sweet irony my good man, is that while misusing the term ad hominem, you simultaneously support my argument.

If I were to stay people who did not like FFXI's community are wrong because they smell bad and kill puppies. It would be ad hominem because their odor and puppy killing tendencies do not relate to how they would interact with a community.

If I state perhaps a community has less patience for rude or illiterate people and might have seemed more closed to them. That relates to the issue of how a community is viewed.

[Orsnoire]

The sweet irony my good man, is that while misusing the term ad hominem, you simultaneously support my argument.

If I were to stay people who did not like FFXI's community are wrong because they smell bad and kill puppies. It would be ad hominem because their odor and puppy killing tendencies do not relate to how they would interact with a community.

If I state perhaps a community has less patience for rude or illiterate people and might have seemed more closed to them. That relates to the issue of how a community is viewed.

LOL "rude or illiterate" "Perhaps they deserved this treatment" plus more than suggesting that anyone that disagrees with you is toxic. It's funny. The fact that you don't think that's ad hominem betrays your own passive-aggressive approach. And really shows that you were one of the problems within the XI community that we're talking about. You pretend to be civil and nice on the outside, but you clearly are a complete doucher.

So, right back atcha. You prove exactly what we've been saying. The XI community had MANY people who put on a pretentious, self-righteous, "civil" exterior while being truly nasty towards those whom you don't particularly like, and an elitist ass to those whom you felt didn't deserve your attention.