[[ Why do we miss the old FFXI community ]] What made it special ??

[Kazamoto]

I'm noticing an odd trend in this thread.

The people who type clearly, and politely, and with good grammar generally seem to have fond memories of FFXI's community.

The people who are snippy, sarcastic, rude, or just say "lol rose colored nostalgia glasses, ffxi was tehsuck" seem to have negative memories of FFXI's community.

Could it be that people with these negative experiences were perhaps deserving of the treatment they got?

[LobsterBisque]

I'm noticing an odd trend in this thread.

The people who type clearly, and politely, and with good grammar generally seem to have fond memories of FFXI's community.

The people who are snippy, sarcastic, rude, or just say "lol rose colored nostalgia glasses, ffxi was tehsuck" seem to have negative memories of FFXI's community.

Could it be that people with these negative experiences were perhaps deserving of the treatment they got?

Wow did you really just post that? Sure let's take one post and just assume people are jerks all the time. Did you miss the part where I said I enjoyed the game? I realize that doesn't fit into your narrative so you probably skipped it.

Arguing things on their merits is fine, debasing people on the other side of the argument because you don't agree with it is not.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Kazamoto]

But I can already tell, a charming asshole.

[Argent_Wings]

I'm noticing an odd trend in this thread.

The people who type clearly, and politely, and with good grammar generally seem to have fond memories of FFXI's community.

The people who are snippy, sarcastic, rude, or just say "lol rose colored nostalgia glasses, ffxi was tehsuck" seem to have negative memories of FFXI's community.

Could it be that people with these negative experiences were perhaps deserving of the treatment they got?

LOL no. As I mentioned in my post, I stayed all the way up to Aht Urghan, which was about 2 1/2 to 3 years of FFXI during which I never once considered it's competitor World of Warcraft. My job with my school district left me with entire summers off to play and play I did. It was a great game for it's time and despite the exp grind, I had little complaints about the game design. It was the community and the fact that class elitism, MPKing and gilbuying were socially acceptable(though most people would still never admit to the last one)and anyone who claims such things didn't exist was likely among those who had friends in high places and never had to be on the receiving end. Either that or they played FFXI after they increased the cap, leveling became easier and people could solo Dynamis and most HNMs.

The long spawn windows and even longer respawn times made entire groups of players rabid to claim mobs over others and there was almost always drama on loot distribution afterwards. WHMs were abused for not having Erase when they were supposed to, despite every non-WHM charging 300k+ for it, many people wouldn't accept anything less than a Raise III because of the death penalty and on the other side of the coin, having to heal for anything other than the most unavoidable circumstances made all but the most brutally geared Paladins a less-than-optimal choice for tank in a majority of relevant encounters.

Pay attention to most threads concerning Binding Coil of Bahamut and you will see a lot of the same things going on here. Some classes through no fault of their own are already struggling to advance without their static raid groups because people discriminate based on what they think they know about someone else.

[Kazamoto]

Pay attention to most threads concerning Binding Coil of Bahamut and you will see a lot of the same things going on here. Some classes through no fault of their own are already struggling to advance without their static raid groups because people discriminate based on what they think they know about someone else.

This is a very valid concern, but when you speak about class discrimination, you must also know, my favorite class in FFXI is Puppet Master. Though I often went to runs as a Paladin or Mkriss dark knight.

When people compare your parse to another players without adding the damage from the puppet, then you can complain about discrimination.

I think the problem behind all of this is people want it both ways.

They want everyone else to have optimal gear, and the optimal classes for every event. But they also want to be the snowflake that gets to do what ever they want.

There was a post earlier here in general by someone threatening to unsub the game because he couldn't find a tank for lowbie dungeons.

He felt he should not have to level a tank to take part in content.
But on the other side.
Does that mean someone else should have to level a tank so he can enjoy content?

LOL "rude or illiterate" "Perhaps they deserved this treatment" plus more than suggesting that anyone that disagrees with you is toxic. It's funny. The fact that you don't think that's ad hominem betrays your own passive-aggressive approach. And really shows that you were one of the problems within the XI community that we're talking about. You pretend to be civil and nice on the outside, but you clearly are a complete doucher.

So, right back atcha. You prove exactly what we've been saying. The XI community had MANY people who put on a pretentious, self-righteous, "civil" exterior while being truly nasty towards those whom you don't particularly like, and an elitist ass to those whom you felt didn't deserve your attention.

I do apologize if I have been anything but polite, it is not my intention to be perceived as self-righteous or pretentious.

But I also understand in the day and age, it the realm of white-knights and tolls, trying to have a calm level headed conversation can be problematic.

And again, sorry if I have been an 'elitist ass' but I am truly enjoying this conversation.