Lightning FATE--Are you thinking ahead, SE?

[frostmagemari]

You act like ALL of SE is dedicated to FFXIV -.-

I don't much care if they're dedicated to XIV, it's not realistic to expect it.. however, it's quite reasonable to not want this game to turn into a fan-service & other-title advertisement venue for square's other games.

Lightning is a transdimensional being that can live in any time and place, so she can go wherever the hell she wants. Nice try though.

You're right, it works for square's world(s) since they create the rules, but i'm of the opinion that they should create FATEs and events that don't depend on their other IP's; Especially ones that square likes to think is more relevant to consumers than they really are, like Lightning.

If they want to give everyone a chance at the outfits, that's great.. give them to crafters, or something, but not this.

[TetsuyaHikari]

I don't much care if they're dedicated to XIV, it's not realistic to expect it.. however, it's quite reasonable to not want this game to turn into a fan-service & other-title advertisement venue for square's other games.You're right, it works for square's world(s) since they create the rules, but i'm of the opinion that they should create FATEs and events that don't depend on their other IP's; Especially ones that square likes to think is more relevant to consumers than they really are, like Lightning.

If they want to give everyone a chance at the outfits, that's great.. give them to crafters, or something, but not this.

You may need to backpedal then and start complaining about the Magitek mount in the game. If you're not okay with this, then you shouldn't be okay with that since it's a homage to FFVI. Also, even if they decided to restrict the outfits to crafters or something, the problem would still remain. Plenty of people just don't want to see anything to do with FFXIII in the game, period.

EDIT: Oh and god forbid the game have an optional event which takes up 1% of the total content in the game. Yep, we're on the path of turning this into a title strictly run by fanservice! Isn't this kind of the argument homophobic people use to say the world will be overrun by homosexuals if we let even some of them walk around publicly?

Point is, it's really not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Even if they threw in 50 events from different FF titles, it would still be so insignificant compared to the rest of the content the game has to offer. I'm sure your world will continue to turn even though there's an event involving FFXIII or whatever really.

[frostmagemari]

You may need to backpedal then and start complaining about the Magitek mount in the game. If you're not okay with this, then you shouldn't be okay with that since it's a homage to FFVI. Also, even if they decided to restrict the outfits to crafters or something, the problem would still remain. Plenty of people just don't want to see anything to do with FFXIII in the game, period.

Non-character insertions are fine at the end of the day, as it simply needs to make sense in the world as to why it's there. Magitek armour has a reason for existing in XIV, they're not pulling it from the AEther and saying "It's there 'cause it's there."

And, i don't know what you've been reading, but all the notable outcry i've seen has been from players not wanting past named characters coming into XIV, very few have had any problem with items or looks if it makes sense in XIV; But nice try trying to shift the argument.

EDIT: Oh and god forbid the game have an optional event which takes up 1% of the total content in the game. Yep, we're on the path of turning this into a title strictly run by fanservice! Isn't this kind of the argument homophobic people use to say the world will be overrun by homosexuals if we let even some of them walk around publicly?

It sets precedent. If they start putting in Lightning, and Shantoto and get no opposition, will they move to Kuja and Zidane or Tidus and Sin? Perhaps Cloud and Sephiroth, or maybe we'll see Sora and Goofy? Will we see square bring out an event for every game that they want sold? I don't know if you noticed this, but square has stamped their name on -a lot- of IP's and if they see that XIV becomes a good springboard for advertising, you don't think they won't use it until the players outcry for them to stop it (most likely at the cost of subscriptions)?

Perhaps it's a slippery slope, but square is a business; And while it's wonderful PR to say that they'll never let a numbered final fantasy fail, it's very easy to justify a loss in subscriptions if you're still making your base-line quota and upping sales on other games. Also, nice attempt to polarize the dislike for fan-service inserts by likening us to homophobes, but try to stay on topic.

Point is, it's really not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Even if they threw in 50 events from different FF titles, it would still be so insignificant compared to the rest of the content the game has to offer. I'm sure your world will continue to turn even though there's an event involving FFXIII or whatever really.

Point is, it's as big of a deal as people are saying it are, because they(we) are the ones with the problem. And yes, the world will continue to turn, i don't think anyone said that the world would end if it Lightning was put into the game, however XIV has a lot of blackmarks on it right with how Square is handling the endgame, the stability of their service, etc.. The prospect of rampant fan-service and being an advertisement springboard is one more mark against it; A company can only have so many "minor" problems until it's large enough for people to say that they're done with it. And again, nice attempt to marginalize and strawman, but really, give arguments and not emotional ramblings.

[TetsuyaHikari]

Non-character insertions are fine at the end of the day, as it simply needs to make sense in the world as to why it's there. Magitek armour has a reason for existing in XIV, they're not pulling it from the AEther and saying "It's there 'cause it's there."

And what makes you think Lightning will be there just to be there? You don't know. Also, you can try to justify your interest in having Magitek Armour in the game all you want, but you know as well as I do that they could have come up with something more original, yet they chose not to (which is perfectly fine). Non-character or character insertions is irrelevant, they are still pulling sources from other games.

And, i don't know what you've been reading, but all the notable outcry i've seen has been from players not wanting past named characters coming into XIV, very few have had any problem with items or looks if it makes sense in XIV; But nice try trying to shift the argument.

That's just it though. Who is to say it doesn't make sense in XIV? For crying out loud, we've got Odin roaming around every now and then as a random F.A.T.E., but you're telling me it makes sense? Lol no.

I don't even have to shift the argument here. The game itself has enough going for it to do that for me. I can point out plenty of things that "don't" belong, but guess what? At the end of the day, that's not for me to decide... Much how it's not for you to decide if Lightning (or whoever) is allowed to be in the game and lore of XIV.

It sets precedent. If they start putting in Lightning, and Shantoto and get no opposition, will they move to Kuja and Zidane or Tidus and Sin? Perhaps Cloud and Sephiroth, or maybe we'll see Sora and Goofy? Will we see square bring out an event for every game that they want sold? I don't know if you noticed this, but square has stamped their name on -a lot- of IP's and if they see that XIV becomes a good springboard for advertising, you don't think they won't use it until the players outcry for them to stop it (most likely at the cost of subscriptions)?

Okay, let's say they do put in all of those characters. So what? Hell, I'll see all of those characters you just listed and raise you. Let's throw in the ENTIRE cast of Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts. Guess what.

It's STILL only going to be a small fraction of the game, which, once again, will be completely optional anyway. It's not like they're forcing you to participate in this event with Lightning, so what's the problem? Even if they did, are you really going to whine like a spoiled brat every time you have to take an hour or two out of your game to participate in it?

I mean, it's not as if you haven't already spent 100+ hours investing your time into the other aspects of the game. Oh wait...

Yeah, it's not going to kill you.

Perhaps it's a slippery slope, but square is a business; And while it's wonderful PR to say that they'll never let a numbered final fantasy fail, it's very easy to justify a loss in subscriptions if you're still making your base-line quota and upping sales on other games. Also, nice attempt to polarize the dislike for fan-service inserts by likening us to homophobes, but try to stay on topic.
Point is, it's as big of a deal as people are saying it are, because they(we) are the ones with the problem. And yes, the world will continue to turn, i don't think anyone said that the world would end if it Lightning was put into the game, however XIV has a lot of blackmarks on it right with how Square is handling the endgame, the stability of their service, etc.. The prospect of rampant fan-service and being an advertisement springboard is one more mark against it; A company can only have so many "minor" problems until it's large enough for people to say that they're done with it. And again, nice attempt to marginalize and strawman, but really, give arguments and not emotional ramblings.

I only related people like that to homophobes because it's the same type of mentality. "We don't like this because it will take over our world, therefore it's bad! It will change everything!" That's EXACTLY how homophobes behave.

You don't like it? Don't participate, simple as that. You want to complain about having to see people in Lightning or Snow outfits? Well, tough shit.

I'm sure there are people that don't like the way you look either, but it would be just as bad for them to tell you that you don't belong. I'm not telling people they can't dislike fanservice inserts. I'm just saying they should accept it since bitching about it isn't going to change anything.

Also, this "problem" is only as big as people make it out to be. Honestly, I don't see a problem in this, whereas you do. So, there's really no way to determine if it truly is one or not. As far as I'm concerned though, it has no virtual impact on the enjoyment of the game itself, so I don't see the issue.

Will I still be able to enter dungeons and level properly, despite them adding fanservice? Yes. Will I still be able to access all of the game's features despite them adding fanservice? Yes. Will I lose anything once they add fanservice? No.

Again, there's not a problem unless you make it out to be one yourself, which is exactly what you're doing. You've brought out your little soapbox here to take a stand against commercialism because they want to promote their latest game, thinking that if enough people follow you, this game will shut down... When really, you're just a delusional hatemonger looking for followers so you can have a justification to bring this game to the ground and burn it in hopes of "purifying" it of the filth you disapprove of.

Well, have fun with that. If you want to keep bitching and complaining about a few bumps in the road, maybe it's time you found your exit then. It's obvious you actually have no interest in discussing the matter since you claim to call someone's argument "emotional ramblings" and are simply just barking to hear yourself bark, so I'm done here.

[Rekujen]

Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm of Fan Service

[Battlewrench]

It's happening, can't stop it now, get over it. I for one, will dawn the outfit and hair and be beautiful.

[Felis]

I'm just concerned about 'when' this is on. Since the coming Holidays I'm going to be all over the place and don't want to miss the chance to nab Snow's Outfit

It should be around the date Lightning Return come out in japan.

[Lelouch001]

It should be around the date Lightning Return come out in japan.

I think I remember seeing it was going to be on the 15th.

[Ran1880]

so will lightning come in november or dec?

[frostmagemari]

<a lot of rage>

Perhaps i should have said "emotional rantings", since a ramble can still contain substance.

Good effort, but really.. take some debate classes and see if you can come up with more than being angry that someone has a valid critique of actions taken by a company.