Mr.Yoshi, please stop just making FFXIV "ARR" (A Realm of Raiding)

[Rhas]

It couldnt be otherwise, you cant put console and pc players in the same PVP environment.

They are already going to do that here. PC... PS3...

FFXI did it for their limited PvP on PC/xbox/PS2

Think Defiance mixes PS3 and PC, xbox refused to communicate with the other 2 systems so it was isolated. Pretty sure Warframe will be a mix of PS4 and PC as well as Planetside 2 which I believe is also scheduled for PS4.

[Maqaqa]

Nevermind, i see people forgot what real PVP is, or just never experienced it.

[Teraluna]

Although replies to the post are commenting on the choice of suggestions, I agree in part to the point - that this is based squarely around the fail safe WOW formula. I would suggest the underlying reason for this is the original 1.0 disaster. They tried something different and it failed miserably.
Voted worst mmo of the year on many surveys, ftp whilst the patient was in mmo intensive care, people replacements within SE etc etc.
So what to do after this
Forget any contentious away from the norm thinking, retreat to something safe, well trodden>dungeon>raid>higher raid -standard format. And of course there is the big one out there that dominates this, hence games that follow this pattern are referred to as a WOW clones.
Several games have tried to copy this tried trusted formula - and failed. They now enjoy a spot in the ftp market.
This game is a WOW clone, ok it has some differences, but so did the likes of Rift (which included housing, wider character classes, and far more content). SE have retreated to the WOW formula - a safe but short term model when looking at other WOW me too attempts.

[Rhas]

Nevermind, i see people forgot what real PVP is, or just never experienced it.

Maybe if EvE ever see's a console port you can see some real PvP mixed together but all the PvP that's been put out there for a while is a complete joke. Rift... WoW... GW2... Warhammer... or whatever other modern MMO you care to name. (Sure I haven;t played every single one but the majority of the ones I've tried are just... bad. Not talking about FPS, but MMO.

Ok I admit.. GW wasn't bad for a while I suppose... Asheron's Call wasn't bad either for its time. Loved playing a few other RTS PvP systems as well. Heck.. if you wanted *real* PvP.. you should go try it in a MUD.

I've been PvPing since the 80's heh

[Maqaqa]

GW wasn't bad for a while I suppose...

The very first version of GW was amazingly well balanced (beside a couple of skills)... but arena PVP got old really fast. This isnt the REAL pvp for me.
PVP is only fun when you dont know where the enemy is coming from, when the enemy is coming, and in what numbers. You need to get ready for anything.
GW2 almost got it. They forgot factions >.<
IMHO obviously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-rhnYafIeQ ---> massive PVP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0WuKEGzDBA ---> the hunt (no instances, no arenas, just an open world rvr)
This is PVP for me (yeah im that old) and Yoshi knows really well what im talking about.

[Ri_ri]

Even WoW is trying to be less like WoW.

Mists of Pandaria is trying to move away from their own models, with world bosses, Timeless Isle and Flex difficulty.

Anyway... Yoshi's focus is the JP players, who don't have WoW. So this instance fest makes sense.

[Rhas]

PVP is only fun when you dont know where the enemy is coming from, when the enemy is coming, and in what numbers. You need to get ready for anything.

You should try a text based MUD if you want that lol Battling 10 - 30 people can be challenging but fun ;P Every single modern MMO/RTS/FPS has it's limits. You could tell where the enemy was coming from in Lotro by the brief lag spikes (from models loading into memory) by scanning around. Rift just cut the max amont of people able to be displayed. WoW arenas... set people in set matches (openworld you had lame max just killing everything lower for fun over and over... not fun) Even EvE has it's problems. GW was, as you said same maps/people doing the same things over and over, just like GW2 (which lost its fun after about 2 days of playing) Only place I've ever found *good* combat (for the most past) has been in various MUDS over the years where you don't have graphical limitations.

Yeah I played DAoC a bit as well heheh

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I am not just talking about the anime, I mentioned UO FFXI, and some RPG games too.
my point is simple, more RPG elements, more life-like, fun world, give player the freedom & platform, to do what they want to do,the possibility to develop their own contents.
not just raids,daily quests (WOWish)

pls look at:
Sword Art Online & .hack anime

and what is this ?
Seriusly, i know what you're asking at, but isn't just possible. Not now, not anymore. Biulding the game to be a sandbox (this is the term) it's not possible at this point, they should scrap the game (again) and redo all. Worst, they should redo the game of a niche of players.
It's without precedents a failed mmorpg would scrap all and redo the game (at that point they just close or go F2P), you could imagine the folly make it twice ?

[Feathery]

<__< .. Some people in this thread.. Even if we disagree with the OP can we just keep it to actually discussing OPs argument without borderline rude or sarcastic comments.. Completely unecessary and uncalled for..

Anyhow, I would love to see something like SAO without, sadly I don't think we have the technology to do so yet ^^.

[Reslin]

WOW (WORLD OF DUNGEON) formula is dying,
people got tired of endless raiding/dungeon.

pls look at:
Sword Art Online & .hack anime
TESO hype(best western RPG maker nowadays)
UO,& even some elements in FFXI,

That's what we dream for a MMORPG,for decades:a freedom,life-like,magical, fantasy virtual world,memorable adventures.

(housing, treasure hunting are good start)

Housing is coming. Treasure hunting is coming. They're also adding a golden saucer which will have numerous mini games. There's going to be chocobo breeding and hints at a card game. Plenty more in the works that don't have to do with raiding.