Bard's Shirt (Relic) or Relic+1 - which one first?

[Viridiana]

How can it be confirmed to be turn 5 if it hasn't been seen to drop?

About like so:

VG of Excalibur downed Twintania at 3:02am PST after a hilariously fun morning that involved a positively unhealthy amount of energy drinks . . .

Drops - Allagan Spear/Allagan Band of Aiming

[Gabbelgak]

I uh just talked to the guy, it was a choker. My healer friend kept saying ring even when I was like wtf nobody has seen that drop yet. I feel like an idiot =x My bad guys!

[Coraline]

4 Dex and 4 Accuracy at the loss of 12 Crit, 8 Determination and a Skill Speed.

I'll stick with crafted + hero and give allagan rings to alts.

4 Dex alone is more valuable than 12 crit and 8 det. Plus Acc helps with itemizing cap.

[Viridiana]

4 Dex alone is more valuable than 12 crit and 8 det. Plus Acc helps with itemizing cap.

I haven't seen any stat weights that put crit or det at below 0.2 to dex's 1.0.

20 x .2 = 4 x 1

And the weights usually go above .2. . .