Market Wards, enough is enough

[TheVedis]

Yeah I'm fairly sure I said if the animation team is busy animating me jump, they aren't animating me summon Ifrit.
I guess that got lost in the wastes of spam argument.

yeah
i learned alot when champions was going through its development after its launch of adding new stuff
we actualy had devs there coming on and spelling out for us why certain things took longer then others

someone has to go in and do all that work, and it takes alot of time(and money) to do animations, actualy, animations(and voiceovers) take up most of a games monetery resources to my understanding.
man hours are just man hours as is coding but to put something more physical behind it is where the true resources get stuffed

[Kilta_Firelotus]

and yet it still doesnt show that you know a thing about how to design the games themselves
looking at credits doesnt tell you that you know the structure of how everything is done
so stop acting like you know everything please and let people who want to discuss this rationaly and not get off topic do so

Because I used to go to a tech high school that did basic 3d design. And the various areas of it. Such as the Various areas of computer aided drafting. And any college course when you look up online teaches you the various areas of game design. Each part listed in its own course from character development to fighting machinics to landcape design. I personally would live doing landscape aspect of gaming Making the world players play in

[kurokawa]

i think he did pretty much say why didnt he?

because it wont fix the problem

No, he gave a vague explanation, which is no doubt not his fault at all. It's all very cloak and dagger. No-one has clearly ever said why there isn't an AH.

In 5 lines, please do tell why

[TheVedis]

No, he gave a vague explanation, which is no doubt not his fault at all. It's all very cloak and dagger. No-one has clearly ever said why there isn't an AH.

In 5 lines, please do tell why

well i understood what he meant, to each their own i guess

[Shai]

If you understand it then why are you asking?

Let me reboot this with Kilta on ignore.
I gotta go back 3-30 pages to find my original point.

Honestly, do you really want the developers wasting their time making Auction Houses and jump animations when they could be making Bahamut summonable or staging invasions by the Garlean Empire?

I don't want to start an argument about it and I know multiple teams work on multiple things, but someone is animating jump could just as well be animating me summon Ifrit. I doubt they have multiple animation teams. Would you rather unlock new jobs and more defined abilities via quests (quested content was #1, btw) or would you rather they work on throwing away a working system like the Market Wards and implementing an Auction House (after months and months MORE of development).

People really want that? I think a new poll would show that they don't.

Basically I am saying:
There's a team working on Market Wards which we all agree are functional. Does the majority want them to stop working on that and start working on an Auction House? Wouldn't this stifle the implementation of new content that delivers new items to a new distribution system? Do you want content (new items/recipes) on hold while you wait for a system we already have?

Then I was told (despite my disclaimer) different teams work on different things. Yes, but while one major thing is being worked on several other things related to it are on hold as evidenced by the battle system.

So if this is incorrect - feel free to correct me.

New Items/Recipes (and the content that contains them, and the mobs that drop them, and the animations that go with those mobs and who the f knows what else) should not be implemented until a system to distribute these items is in place. That's what I'm asserting or asking.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Also i never came out saying I was a know it all, but what I said was basic info. Everyone here assumes the worst of people.

[TheVedis]

Let me reboot this with Kilta on ignore.
I gotta go back 3-30 pages to find my original point.



Basically I am saying:
There's a team working on Market Wards which we all agree are functional. Does the majority want them to stop working on that and start working on an Auction House? Wouldn't this stifle the implementation of new content that delivers new items to a new distribution system? Do you want content (new items/recipes) on hold while you wait for a system we already have?

Then I was told (despite my disclaimer) different teams work on different things. Yes, but while one major thing is being worked on several other things related to it are on hold as evidenced by the battle system.

So if this is incorrect - feel free to correct me.

New Items/Recipes (and the content that contains them, and the mobs that drop them, and the animations that go with those mobs and who the f knows what else) should not be implemented until a system to distribute these items is in place. That's what I'm asserting or asking.

i honestly dont think theres a team working on the wards
there is however someone working on the stability of them(as it is a stability issue with the servers and thats important)

right now i bet a majority of the people working on the game are working on content rollout and such, stuff that we see listed in the last letter

[Amineri]

I guess my post got lost (or maybe ignored ;-; ) in the shuffle, but the dev team is also looking at the inflation problem, and I'm betting that it's the same team.

So now the choice is : improve market wards and address inflation OR stop all that to start over with an auction house?

[Shai]

Okay, most of the debate (and invective) has been about what ELSE the team that would be either working on improving the market wards or implementing an auction house would be doing:



What part of the development team do you think is working on balancing the overall economy? I would wager heavily that it's the same team that is working on the market system.

The trade seems to me to be:

1. Continue coding efforts to stabilize the market wards, add features to improve market ward functionality, and address inflation issues
2. Stop all of that development (or significantly slow it down) in order to completely start over with an 'auction house'

You can't have two teams working on improving the economy ... they'd be working at cross-purposes. Also, with option 2, with the imbalanced economy and hampered distribution system in place, adding new items to the game becomes problematic.

I would rather have a mostly-working market ward system and new content added, then to put it all on hold to wait another six months for some pie-in-the-sky miracle auction house that is supposed to magically fix everything.

For starters, how is an auction house going to address the inflation in the game? How is it going to address the overabundance of items?

It isn't.

No, Amineri, they got different teams.
You don't understand. Worker ants don't protect the queen.
Therefore battle systems teams don't make economic inflation teams.

The solution is so simple!

(this is a joke, Amineri; but don't worry Kilta won't get it)

[kurokawa]

well i understood what he meant, to each their own i guess

Yeah fair enough mate, sorry I'm not trying to get into an argument really, especially with a com rep as they're doing their best.

I've just never really got it from the start.

AH's work in most MMOs. They just are... there, people use them, no fuss. However, this game has suffered from ALOT of negative PR, especially from the economy and lack of AH, so i'd love to hear exactly why they've gone down the market system route and continue to do so.

I don't see why we can't have both.

If it's cost, fine. Just tell us.