Market Wards, enough is enough

[Mack]

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Forget AH, make it a Market Ward that runs on a vendor and doesn't crash every day and that can comply with any addition to retainers. The wards suck because they have a capacity for one, they crash all the time and even if they do stabilize them they will need to work around their capacity issue. In a game with this low a population, on the most populated servers, the wards are packed to the brim - meaning when they add more and more players to the game and more and more retainers, they will need to expand the wards by either lengthening each one individually or adding more wards. IMO I do enough running around in this game to warrant that, so no thank you, the wards simply suck, they offer nothing new and they are an inconvenience over an AH. However, I get it, you don't want an AH, you don't want blind bidding, that's pretty much everyone's excuse against an AH...fair enough, make the wards act like an AH, you run up to a counter or several counters and look up an item, see the price u like best and purchase the item. But of of course people will still nag because of "immersion"...@#$% immersion, there is nothing immersible about them. Majority of people voted in favor of an AH only second to content or battle system and rightly so because content and battle system are lacking much more than the market system but it doesn't mean its not important. Nothing is good about the wards, they have no advantage, and the only reason SE wants to keep them around is to charge you for extra retainers in the future - they even have something planned for them that has to do with ranking up your retainer which will probably add benefits like extra inventory space or extra bazaar space...all things that can be done without a Market Ward. They have no merits whatsoever, they don't look good, they don't do anything fancy, and they will only get worse.

And if you did want Blind and Timed Bidding, your an idiot who wants RMT's to own the marketplace.

And this is by far the dumbest excuse ever. RMTs can already own the marketplace by monopolizing, hell I even have enough gil because of the lack of any gil sinks in this game to monopolize a part of the market. Its not difficult, you just need money and RMTs know how to make enough of it. The MW would've only solved RMTs or alleviated them a little had they kept it with no search system, which is how it was intended to be. Stupid system is stupid and always will be.

[Shai]

Honestly, do you really want the developers wasting their time making Auction Houses and jump animations when they could be making Bahamut summonable or staging invasions by the Garlean Empire?

I don't want to start an argument about it and I know multiple teams work on multiple things, but someone is animating jump could just as well be animating me summon Ifrit. I doubt they have multiple animation teams. Would you rather unlock new jobs and more defined abilities via quests (quested content was #1, btw) or would you rather they work on throwing away a working system like the Market Wards and implementing an Auction House (after months and months MORE of development).

People really want that? I think a new poll would show that they don't.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Honestly, do you really want the developers wasting their time making Auction Houses and jump animations when they could be making Bahamut summonable or staging invasions by the Garlean Empire?

I don't want to start an argument about it and I know multiple teams work on multiple things, but someone is animating jump could just as well be animating me summon Ifrit. I doubt they have multiple animation teams. Would you rather unlock new jobs and more defined abilities via quests (quested content was #1, btw) or would you rather they work on throwing away a working system like the Market Wards and implementing an Auction House (after months and months MORE of development).

People really want that? I think a new poll would show that they don't.

Don't me stupid. They got different teams working on different things. MMO are ongoing when it comes to stuff you listed. Or do you ppl seem to forget that?

[Shai]

Don't me stupid. They got different teams working on different things. MMO are ongoing when it comes to stuff you listed. Or do you ppl seem to forget that?

Um, no, I even said that. Are you being sarcastic?

The fact remains though that "a different team" would have to make a functional Auction House, not a brand new team. What would we sacrifice to get an Auction House? Player run Companies? New classes? Better UI? Better Latency? I mean some team has to stop doing some thing to do this. The question is which one(s) and do you really want them to do it? Something has to be sacrificed FOR MONTHS to get it done.

Perhaps it would be new gear (and thus new content that gives gear) and new materials (and thus no new improvements to gatherers) or perhaps it would be a 6 month hold on new recipes?

Think farking "big picture" for once. One team working on one major overhaul to the game has ALREADY set the game back 6 months from things we could have had in Jan-Mar time frame.

[Shai]

Here we go!!!!!!!!!
I'm off on a whirlwind quoting adventure!

I don't want to start an argument about it and I know multiple teams work on multiple things, but someone is animating jump could just as well be animating me summon Ifrit.

Um, no, I even said [I know there are different teams]. Are you being sarcastic? The fact remains though that "a different team" would have to make a functional Auction House, not a brand new team. What would we sacrifice...?

How do you know which teams work on what?

A TEAM WORKING ON THE AUCTION HOUSE IS A TEAM NOT WORKING ON SOMETHING [ELSE].

Different teams work on battle than work on Company do they not?
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I'm not a game designer so explain it to me other than saying "there's more than one team."
I know that. I said it myself multiple times.

You could win this battle if you presented answers to the questions I'm asking.

Go ahead and continue to say "different teams exist" ad infinitum though.

...is this enough fng times to get through your head, Kilta, that I know there are multiple teams? Do you want to say it one more time to make yourself feel smart?

actually read our replies you twit. a games economy is a different beast then a games battle system. Similar to a cake maker and a fry cook. You not going to a sushi bar to order a cake..... and you wouldn't order a burger from a bakery. Learn to get with the program and look this up, any college as this info online.

I read all your replies. They all said multiple teams work to protect the queen ant or some stupid shit. You aren't explaining to me AT ALL why a team working on an Auction House (that the game already has in the form of a Market Ward) isn't a team that could be more useful working on something else, nor have you explained in any way shape or form why they wouldn't halt production of new items while working on the Auction House.

I have already ADMITTED I'm not an expert. The burden of proof is on you.

Your claim is that working on an Auction House would not hinder production of something else useful, nor would it hamper the flow of new items/recipes due to "different teams." Prove this.

My claim is that an Auction House "team" would be developers not working on another project (not sure how to prove something as common sense as this) and that we might delay content that includes new items & recipes based on evidence of creating a new battle system.

I presented my proof and evidence and admitted I'm not a developer. Now, prove to me why I'm wrong - and I probably am - but don't tell me to go look it up myself on any old college website. Are you or are you not an expert?

(If not STFU and let someone answer who is).

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ shai there was a team overhaul between those months. Also several teams from other games came over aswell. They got a team working on various part of the game. Also Battle changes were put forfront since everyything they want to add requires this change to happen first. Shai I suggest you look up game design and realise how stuff is done. There would be different teams working on an AH then player run companies. Some stuff takes longer to add then other stuff. And as I stated mmo are ON GOING. WHEN THESE CHANGES ARE PUT IN THERE WILL STILL BE MORE CHANGES OR ADDITIONS THAT IS HOW MMO ARE BY NATURE. THEY DO NOT "FIX" AN MMO THEN MOVE ON TO A NEW GAME.

[Shai]

@ shai there was a team overhaul between those months. Also several teams from other games came over aswell. They got a team working on various part of the game. Also Battle changes were put forfront since everyything they want to add requires this change to happen first. Shai I suggest you look up game design and realise how stuff is done. There would be different teams working on an AH then player run companies. Some stuff takes longer to add then other stuff. And as I stated mmo are ON GOING. WHEN THESE CHANGES ARE PUT IN THERE WILL STILL BE MORE CHANGES OR ADDITIONS THAT IS HOW MMO ARE BY NATURE. THEY DO NOT "FIX" AN MMO THEN MOVE ON TO A NEW GAME.

How do you know which teams work on what?

Please, pray tell, with all your game design expertise why did they lower the priority on AH & Jump?
Why are they still assessing the risk/value of doing it?

Could it possibly be that it's more important to have all hands on deck focus on shit that actually matters?

A TEAM WORKING ON THE AUCTION HOUSE IS A TEAM NOT WORKING ON SOMETHING.

I never claimed to know what that something was. I just presented some ideas. You can tell me what that thing is if you want. Stop arguing and start producing answers. Let's see all your countless years of working in the game industry has to bring to the table besides arguing every goddamn post that pops up on the forum.

Please, I invite you to enlighten us.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

How do you know which teams work on what?

Please, pray tell, with all your game design expertise why did they lower the priority on AH & Jump?
Why are they still assessing the risk/value of doing it?

Could it possibly be that it's more important to have all hands on deck focus on shit that actually matters?

A TEAM WORKING ON THE AUCTION HOUSE IS A TEAM NOT WORKING ON SOMETHING.

I never claimed to know what that something was. I just presented some ideas. You can tell me what that thing is if you want. Stop arguing and start producing answers. Let's see all your countless years of working in the game industry has to bring to the table besides arguing every goddamn post that pops up on the forum.

Please, I invite you to enlighten us.

I did suggest you loom into game development. You can't have too many teams working on the same stuff. And again different teams are working on different things.

[Shai]

I did suggest you loom into game development. You can't have too many teams working on the same stuff. And again different teams are working on different things.

Hey thanks for explaining it in exactly the way I asked you not to explain it.

And again 1 team working on AH means 1 team not working on something else.

Not to mention no one has given a good reason why changing basic functions of economy wouldn't stall or hold off release of content that also adds changes to the economy - much like battle has held off content that uses battle.

See how my logic is defeating you and your repetition is annoying me?
You could win this battle if you presented answers to the questions I'm asking.

Go ahead and continue to say "different teams exist" ad infinitum though.
Cause that's how debates/arguments/conversations work. Repetition, caps and use of BOLD.

Sooner or later you will defeat me with talented use of idiocy and frustration. Mine or yours, I don't know.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

get with the times guys. Devs are going for more interactive things over menu lists. (which an ah is) It is dull and boring to walk up to a window scroll through menus to look for an item. Honestly it doesn't take that long to buy stuff from the retainers. It took me 5 min to buy 7 items from the MW. Games like Fable and elder scrolls are also making things more interactive. I like the wards, because I like being active. Why should crap be instant? Its again boring to just walk to a window and scroll through stuff.

It isn't Wards are not a design flaw, players just ruined it for themselves. That and I love the shopping music in the wards :3 It like right from a 1950s comercial.

There are tons of mmo with "auction" houses. Stop crying and go play one of them.