<Final Fantasy> Downs Twintania! (No Exploits / Post-Nerf)

[carraway]

Nice work, grats.

[PapesseLudovique]

Wow congratulations! Good for you guys.

[Zdenka]

Grats, I watched your video was entertaining ^^.

Btw is the 5k health on a bard even remotely necessary? Also what is the min recommended health for T5?

5k HP is probably from mostly Ilvl 90 and Food Buff, even more if using crafted accessories. I think DPS passes 5000 HP in full ilvl 90.

Big grats guys!

[dimach]

Nice work, grats.

I need to contact you about something carraway!!

[Aureliami]

Didn't think a non-legacy would kill it already this week. Very nice work and congratulations.

[Ryuko]

Congratulations! Even if it is post-nerf, it's still a hard fight!

To others... To be quite honest, I don't see a huge difference between a Legacy and Non-Legacy clear. It only took a week to get to 50, if that, and many players were nearing 50 by the time the game officially launched (onward from Phase 4 Beta). Exceptional players were in Coil within just a few short weeks. I played 1.0, but I will concede 2.0 is a very different game. Even the Primals (bread and butter of 1.0) work a different way. So whether you are Legacy or not, it is still an amazing feat, especially considering how few players have cleared it yet.

[Aureliami]

The main difference between legacy and non legacy is the time they were able to first go into coil. For legacy this was week 34 and for non-legacy this was week 36, giving legacy 2 extra weeks of lockouts to practice fights and such. The 2 weeks of gear drops and myth helps a bit too(for example the MT of BG had 11 pieces of 90 gear, the MT of FFXIV has 8 pieces of 90 gear and 1 piece of 60 gear)

Keep ind mind Turn 5 was locked for almost 2 full weeks due to the exploit and bugs so all the time people spent practicing before that lockdown is very significant.

[carraway]

I need to contact you about something carraway!!

Feel free to contact me on Guildwork.

[glim]

Grats, I watched your video was entertaining ^^.

Btw is the 5k health on a bard even remotely necessary? Also what is the min recommended health for T5?

I'm curious with this as well, cause I don't think I can even reach 4.4k hp if I have BiS and food

(unless I allocate stats from my character sheet)

[verily]

The main difference between legacy and non legacy is the time they were able to first go into coil. For legacy this was week 34 and for non-legacy this was week 36, giving legacy 2 extra weeks of lockouts to practice fights and such. The 2 weeks of gear drops and myth helps a bit too(for example the MT of BG had 11 pieces of 90 gear, the MT of FFXIV has 8 pieces of 90 gear and 1 piece of 60 gear)

We cleared Turn 1 our first night in Coil, August 27. Non-legacy guilds recorded first kills the following week, as early as September 02-03. We cleared Turn 2 on September 01 (after losing a day of progression bugged out and stuck dead inside with no way out), and I believe Non-legacy cleared it as early as September 04-05. That's only one week difference, one reset, and amounts to exactly four pieces of i90 gear. As far as current equipment goes: our party's average ilevel was 82.5 for our Twintania kill- theirs was 82.25 (according to xivarmory, which hasn't updated for any drops as of Monday's reset).

Keep ind mind Turn 5 was locked for almost 2 full weeks due to the exploit and bugs so all the time people spent practicing before that lockdown is very significant.

If your argument is time = gear = advantage, then you don't seem to realize that a 2 week lockout gave other guilds 2 weeks to close the gear gap and catch up in theorycraft. Not every drop is useful to a raid. Pretty sure we've had 8 BLM rings drop. Pretty sure we've had 5 DRG belts drop. That's almost all loot which effectively doesn't help us at all, and that's not even factoring in the things that aren't repeat drops but still aren't useful to us because we don't use those jobs for anything in Coil. This is effectively the same issue Non-legacy suffers in terms of not being able to use all the loot they get due to available jobs.

In short, due to the random nature of chest loot- not everything a raid gets is useful to them, and after 2 months of running coil the gap has been all but erased between Legacy and non. It all averages out, and you can plainly see it in the numbers if you but care to look.

This is nothing against Final Fantasy and crew. We were watching their live stream, cheering them on and bringing our friends in to watch and support them in their race for the kill. We're stoked for them and think it's still a great accomplishment in spite of the unfortunate timing.

But! If we're going to split hairs, at least do so objectively. I think it's time to put the Legacy/Non thing to bed. The advantage is all but gone.