Market Wards, enough is enough

[Shai]

So they did a poll and the majority wanted an Auction House; and now I find out there may never be an Auction House. I'm very upset by this.

It's annoying to have to keep doing this - you'd think people would check their evidence before running their mouth, but the internet is a brazen world where personal credentials and the value of their word are meaningless concepts.

1st Poll Results - http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=46e03f76722239ffa01960aba398e4034b898102

You'll find fixing the Market Wards is not 1st or 2nd.
You'll find Auction House is not 1st.

Feel free to complain about how adding NMs was 2nd to last and that's all they've done, though. That would at least be accurate statement to complain about.

[Gracious]

It's annoying to have to keep doing this - you'd think people would check their evidence before running their mouth, but the internet is a brazen world where personal credentials and the value of their word are meaningless concepts.

1st Poll Results - http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=46e03f76722239ffa01960aba398e4034b898102

You'll find fixing the Market Wards is not 1st or 2nd.
You'll find Auction House is not 1st.

Feel free to complain about how adding NMs was 2nd to last and that's all they've done, though. That would at least be accurate statement to complain about.

Considering that 26.3% voted for Auction House over NM's and Increased variety of leve's I'd say that is big. Players want an Auction House.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Considering that 26.3% voted for Auction House over NM's and Increased variety of leve's I'd say that is big. Players want an Auction House.

And just because ppl voted for it, don't mean a thing. As the Rep said, even if an AH was put in we will still have issues. I played many mmo with and with out an Auction house system. I like the ones with out better. Having to rely on an AH to get items was so pathetic. Look at ffxi a few mnths ago. Anyone who was new or rerolled couldn't update their gear for a while. Don't get me started on WoWs either ><

I swear They shouldn't even be called Auction houses since there is no bidding going on. It should be called a player market house. Just a dull menu of Market wards. That will be lag up to heck because people going afk or botting the AH. Not like crafters do their duty anyway... Or really anyone else for that matter. Once community wises on up archtype duty we can fix this stuff ourselves.

[Shai]

Considering that 26.3% voted for Auction House over NM's and Increased variety of leve's I'd say that is big. Players want an Auction House.

You mean 23.8%? And fail to mention 40.6% wants more story-based quests and Side Quests?
That only 10.3% wanted Wards fix to take priority compared to 36.8% wanting content and 24.2% wanting battle fixes?

We could play with these numbers all day. We could also say that story-based quests & Side Quests that result in new gear, or entirely new systems (like Dungeons) will be on hold while we work on an Auction House system because why implement a new system of trading/selling gear when we'll just have to re-do much of the code every time we add new gear? So the majority should yield to the minority again? We should throw away something that works fine for something that makes us feel safe and secure like we're in another MMO we played?

Honestly, re-poll and I'm sure you'll find you are (still) in the minority.
Though I think a re-poll at this juncture would make Yoshida appear weak (again).

I would certainly be curious how many people want to delay content distribution for more months while they work on a system of menus that serve a function that already exists in the game. I"m guessing if they phrased it that way anyone who understood it (debatable these days) would say "No, thanks. I'll take content, please."

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I would certainly be curious how many people want to delay content distribution for more months while they work on a system of menus that serve a function that already exists in the game. I"m guessing if they phrased it that way anyone who understood it (debatable these days) would say "No, thanks. I'll take content, please."

Content is not delayed in this instance because there are different teams for specific things. Let's say the AH was in the favor of the majority, then the specific team who takes care of market wards functionality/changes would shift from working on that to an AH in terms of priority.

[Shai]

Content is not delayed in this instance because there are different teams for specific things. Let's say the AH was in the favor of the majority, then the specific team who takes care of market wards functionality/changes would shift from working on that to an AH in terms of priority.

Different teams work on battle than work on Company do they not?

There is a battle team. It's currently working on battle. There is a hold on content that will use battle. Why are we accepting there won't be a hold on content that will use the AH? Where is the logic?

I'm not a game designer so explain it to me other than saying "there's more than one team."
I know that. I said it myself multiple times.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Different teams work on battle than work on Company do they not?

There is a battle team. It's currently working on battle. There is a hold on content that will use battle. Why are we accepting there won't be a hold on content that will use the AH? Where is the logic?

I'm not a game designer so explain it to me other than saying "there's more than one team."
I know that. I said it myself multiple times.

Because it is it's own separate team and when it's finished, it's finished. They don't have to wait on anything other than the date they implement it. AH /=/ Content. It's a market system. It doesn't have anything to do with Battle, Company, Story, or Side missions.

[Shai]

Because it is it's own separate team and when it's finished, it's finished. They don't have to wait on anything other than the date they implement it. AH /=/ Content. It's a market system. It doesn't have anything to do with Battle, Company, Story, or Side missions.

Except all those things produce new items - and new items will need to be listed on the AH.

So while teams may be creating new content and new items, why are you guaranteeing they will implement rather than wait for Auction House?

Anyone can answer. Not just you two. Someone must know.

[Cairdeas]

Players want an Auction House.

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

[Gracious]

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

So when 26% of the players voted they wanted an Auction House they lied? It was only 2nd to content.