People Preparing for the Worse of 1.18? hmmm

[Shai]

I loathe the comparison of XI's launch to XIVs.

How did a thread about stimulating more positive feed back get back into this back and forth bickering at each other? The difference between XI launch and XIV launch doesn't even matter for the purposes of this thread. It is an interesting comparison for historical analysis and even holds water in some arguments, but how does this help general poster attitude or how is it an example of positive, constructive feedback?

I hate to break it to you all - but XIV had a fast pace update schedule full of content, too. Between Sep & Dec we had several MAJOR problems fixed and new content added. The new team restructure shut all that down to poll players and go forward with a new battle system. (Whether that was a good idea or not has yet to prove itself). Give them the new team the benefit of the doubt and let them have their time to work on what they assessed as a major failing of XIV. They are different games that suffered from different problems.

Pointing out they did a better job in XI and with XI's launch is not a helpful comment. It's also synonymous with saying you want Tanaka back by the way (he's the one who rapidly fixed XI & XIV), which (although gaining momentum) is an unpopular notion around here. Let the new team do what they asked us for the time & patience to do.

[Starlord]

I loathe the comparison of XI's launch to XIVs.

How did a thread about stimulating more positive feed back get back into this back and forth bickering at each other? The difference between XI launch and XIV launch doesn't even matter for the purposes of this thread. It is an interesting comparison for historical analysis and even holds water in some arguments, but how does this help general poster attitude or how is it an example of positive, constructive feedback?

I hate to break it to you all - but XIV had a fast pace update schedule full of content, too. Between Sep & Dec we had several MAJOR problems fixed and new content added. The new team restructure shut all that down to poll players and go forward with a new battle system. (Whether that was a good idea or not has yet to prove itself). Give them the new team the benefit of the doubt and let them have their time to work on what they assessed as a major failing of XIV. They are different games that suffered from different problems.

Pointing out they did a better job in XI and with XI's launch is not a helpful comment. It's also synonymous with saying you want Tanaka back by the way (he's the one who rapidly fixed XI & XIV), which (although gaining momentum) is an unpopular notion around here. Let the new team do what they asked us for the time & patience to do.

I only mentioned it for a reason ( but that's beside the point) I'm not going to sit here and say who is better Tanaka or Yoshida? All I want right now is for the people thats currently open-minded to the Present to give Yoshida a Chance. SO much has happened 4-5 months he's had the chair and the Dev team, to reconstruct Content, and with the Earthquake/Tsunami didn't help any.

All I'm asking is to keep up with the Constructive Criticism/Ideas but along with that Positive vibes.

Because a Foundation can fall apart if all there is Negative input.

[Physic]

I loathe the comparison of XI's launch to XIVs.

How did a thread about stimulating more positive feed back get back into this back and forth bickering at each other? The difference between XI launch and XIV launch doesn't even matter for the purposes of this thread. It is an interesting comparison for historical analysis and even holds water in some arguments, but how does this help general poster attitude or how is it an example of positive, constructive feedback?

I hate to break it to you all - but XIV had a fast pace update schedule full of content, too. Between Sep & Dec we had several MAJOR problems fixed and new content added. The new team restructure shut all that down to poll players and go forward with a new battle system. (Whether that was a good idea or not has yet to prove itself). Give them the new team the benefit of the doubt and let them have their time to work on what they assessed as a major failing of XIV. They are different games that suffered from different problems.

Pointing out they did a better job in XI and with XI's launch is not a helpful comment. It's also synonymous with saying you want Tanaka back by the way (he's the one who rapidly fixed XI & XIV), which (although gaining momentum) is an unpopular notion around here. Let the new team do what they asked us for the time & patience to do.

The point of the criticism, i feel they need to focus on creating content, while dealing with battle changes, or even instead of. You are very right, we were getting content faster under tanaka. Most of the content updates we have now are leftovers from tanaka's time. Yoshida is the producer now, thats fine, but he needs to produce more results. 1.18 NEEDS to be everything that people hoped it was and more, its virtually the only content we have gotten since launch.
People are analyzing every post now, and trying to figure out the minimal possible outcome using as many loopholes, as possible now. This is what the community expects from the team now, they go through all announcements, and strip it down, and think, ok how can this team fail as much as possible without outright lying to us. It shouldnt be like that. People should be like wow, that was a pretty good patch. It happens all the time in other games.

[anotherday]

I bet 1.18 will have a very minimal amount of content based on how frequently and how much stuff has been in their updates. Yoshida said he will have these battle changes, etc etc, done by the end of summer. 1.18 will be out the beginning of summer, so people expecting a grand overhaul and tons of changes should prepare to be disappointed.

[Teknoman]

Maybe, but he also said it would be substantially larger than any update before it.

[Shai]

All I want right now is for the people thats currently open-minded to the Present to give Yoshida a Chance.

I'm pretty sure that's what I said. I was talking to Physic who was drawing parallels to how XI was changed in 9 months and XIV isn't. He hasn't given Yoshida 9 months to begin with. I also said the comparison is out of place in this discussion.

The point of the criticism, i feel they need to focus on creating content, while dealing with battle changes, or even instead of. You are very right, we were getting content faster under tanaka. Most of the content updates we have now are leftovers from tanaka's time. Yoshida is the producer now, thats fine, but he needs to produce more results. 1.18 NEEDS to be everything that people hoped it was and more, its virtually the only content we have gotten since launch.

People are analyzing every post now, and trying to figure out the minimal possible outcome using as many loopholes, as possible now. This is what the community expects from the team now, they go through all announcements, and strip it down, and think, ok how can this team fail as much as possible without outright lying to us. It shouldnt be like that. People should be like wow, that was a pretty good patch. It happens all the time in other games.

Yeah, I completely agree with you.

Though what I'm saying to you and others (and I'm surprised to hear myself say it) is that Yoshida said right after the 1st poll "I hear what you guys are saying, but I'm making a new battle system. Please give me the time." I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said, right? We asked for more content in those polls and he acknowledged it.

We should (at the very least) give him the time to finish what he asked us for time to finish.

Though as you say I am picking apart his wording to the core to see how much they can get away with. When the "battle begins implementing" and no content comes for another 3-6 months because the battle isn't "fully implemented" there's going to be a real fiasco on the forums - that's my prediction, but it's just a prediction based on wording.

I'd like to hope that whatever they add in 1.18 is enough of a foundation for the battle system that they can test/analyze content along with updates to the battle system and we see more hand-in-hand content with mechanics going forward - but nothing Yoshida has said implies this (unfortunately) it's just something I hope and infer (probably to my own disappointment come patch 1.19). You know what I mean?

Anyway, I'm saying "Give the brutha time like he asked us to."

[Dreadnought]

lol feel good about themselves? theyre getting payed for what theyre doing, i dont thank the bussboys for bussing my tables at work because they get payed more than me hourly, work more hours AND get tipped by each server.... SOOOO they dont get as much as a hi from my ass lol.
im however by no means mean to them, but theyre getting payed alot of money, so if theyre not doing their job correctly then something will be said and done.

[Renshi]

What's funny is that we don't know Anything about what they do in the Backstage, so what the hell is this "They're playing with their thumbs, doing everything bad" thing?

[Anty]

Well this doesn't Surprise me at all, in fact thats all I been hearing ever since the Forums Launched.

It's getting kinda pathetic to be honest with you..

80% of the player base on the Forums have nothing really constructive, and when you do 2 pages later it gets gunned down by trolls and the Idea is basically trash =(.

Why cant we as a whole join together have creative discussions and not troll , so that SE Can feel good about themselves.

I know if I was a SE employee and I been seeing all this crap people throw out here I wouldn't want to bother either making the game great, because there is no motivation behind it.

*Devs if you see this you may lock it, I just had to vent my feelings to the pLayer-base thats all*

If they answered more concrete and properly,
if they had a clearere direction (and communicate it properly)... etc. etc.

i would agree, but the reason for most of the trolling is the lack of most of it.
The other reason is, that its pathetic that a huge game company is still asking in forums EVERY fucking step they should/might or shouldnt take. Its like BMW asking me how the new 7 series shoudl look like and if it should be blue or red only...

I thought it was ok that they made the polls... but it seems that it didnt help much and looking at the moderators posts it feels like they still have no direction.

Most of us DONT want to be developers/art directors... they want to have products (which they payed for). And i bet that many are just annoyed by the lack of answers...

Why posting these "the poor poor developers" threads... its a huge game company... a huge billion dollar company fucked his player base, and its us that are "poor" since we bought a VERY unfinished product...

and with over 700.000 copies they already made money with something that wasnt/isnt finished at all.
The company has heavy issues financially and company-communication (they stated that themselves). theres no need to feel sorry for them... i can't believe people really are defending that...

[Gramul]

i dont thank the bussboys for bussing my tables at work because they get payed more than me hourly, work more hours AND get tipped by each server

Hate. Let me tell you how much I have come to hate you sense you've typed these words. There are over 1,000,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy and over 1,000,000,000,000 galaxies in our universe. If you where to combine the blinding white energy of all the suns in the universe, it would not equal to even one billionth of the hate I have for you at this micro instant. Hate. Hate.