White Mage: You should DPS and here's why.

[Whippet]

As SCH I never cast cure, I do Rouse on my fairy and Leeches on boss that's all rest of the time I nuke, never had a death

I did an AK as PLD today (my PLD is gimped) and WHM was able to holy spam and nuke spam while beeing in Cleric, and i was never close to death

[FinagleABagel]

As SCH I never cast cure, I do Rouse on my fairy and Leeches on boss that's all rest of the time I nuke, never had a death

I did an AK as PLD today (my PLD is gimped) and WHM was able to holy spam and nuke spam while beeing in Cleric, and i was never close to death

Yeah....it's not supposed to hard. There's nothing wrong with switching in/out of Cleric stance. I usually have my tank aggressively pull 2 sets mobs at once. I suggest WHMs do the same thing if they can mitigate the damage. Both healers scale well with AoE as do all DPS. You should always be a hog when pulling mobs.

It's the healer's job to prevent that hog from getting slaughtered.

I'll stay in Cleric Stance and use one Lustrate stack, it's even easier for WHM due to traited Stoneskin. Hint - neither Lustrate or SS is adversely effected by CS.

[OrganizationXIll]

So, I've never really tried playing with Cleric stance dancing in a group (most of my gear while leveling had heavy int and mind on the same piece so the difference was not huge when reversed).

My first instinct after reading your post was to think "How can I macro-manage the stance dance" and since im more partial to Aero DOT stacking than Stone DD I figured I'd go with this.

/ac "cleric stance" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "aero II" <tt>
/wait 3 (I don't know how long the waits going to have to be to not clip the aero II since im not at home but I'm sure I'm going to need it.)
/ac "aero I" <tt>
/wait 1 or 3 (Depends on whether Cleric Stance can be used after Aero I insta-cast)
/ac "cleric stance" <me>

Does this have any glaring errors to any ones eyeballs?

Fixed it for ya.

[Varok899]

I don't understand? Neither do you! Stop compairing a barrier spell with a healing spell! It's not supposed to heal people, it's supposed to slow down the enemy's damage output. Just like protect (also a barrier spell). Cure may heal close to 18% of someones HP (if you're overgeared), but if a mob of three or more hit that one target once each, you're almost right back where you started. The key word there is ALMOST. That's where Stoneskin would've been a better choice.

This doesn't make any sense, HOW is SS a better choice in that situation? It costs more and takes longer to cast to do the job of 1 cure. You still don't get it..

You want a good way to "make time to dps?" There you go. Invest! Spend 1 extra second and gain 3 more. And about the cost? I said it before, it cost the same as Cure II. Do you forsake that spell too? Better yet, how about the Overcure + Cure III combo? Is that not worth the cost as well? Or would you even be able to afford it after spaming Stone II? I got no problems since I try to save MP.
*So you're spending more MP to save it? Great..* Again, Invest! Stoneskin + Cure is less time/MP consuming than Cure + Stone II + Cure. Btw, dosen't Stone II cost more than Cure as well?

Again WHY would I waste time using SS when I can dps and keep him alive just as easy with a Cure or regen tick. Casting SS Is not making time to DPS, it's losing time to DPS

And as for Divine Seal.. No one ever said it was a last resort. You're putting words into peoples mouths! I said it was a comeback spell. That could be after any major aoe that won't be a problem to heal normally, but would take too much time to do so. Almost every boss after lvl 35 has one attack like that, and more often than not, once they start, they use it again sometime after one minute has passed. The use you were talking about is durring every encounter. That's where I question your logic. If your healing, without Divine Seal, surpasses the requirement, then why would you use it anyway? That's overkill! And a main reason to why average tanks lose aggro to WHMs.

And again.. Im talking about TRASH pulls, NOT a boss fight, divine seal is up every trash pull and using it with a regen will keep a semi geared tank healed for a whole trash pack, there is no place for SS in the middle of a trash pull

I'm not nocking on Divine Seal + Regen. I do that too. Only I use the time to strenghen my party's defences and restore MP instead of Stone II spam. Like I said once much earlier, it's a good alternative to dps.

I think Im done with you, just continue being average, casting SS and making your runs last longer, you obviously don't see how to be efficient.

[Masta]

Everyone knows a healer can dps and there are too many threads that argue both sides. One being yes to dps the other being you should only heal. In my opinion, ultimately its the healers decision to dps or not. If you prefer a heals to dps then make friends with one or vice versa. As for me, I sometimes dps...I sometimes hit my heal macro and walk away from the keyboard or alt tab etc. Why?!?!? cuz sometimes I just wanna be lazy. And at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter....everyone gets their myth/philo and goes about their separate ways.

[Simaril]

Everyone knows a healer can dps and there are too many threads that argue both sides. One being yes to dps the other being you should only heal.

Is there a middle ground for Whm? I don't want to screw up my main role as a healer, so I just stay in the healer stance, and DPS when I'm comfortable things are under control... Is this the best of both worlds, or a lose-lose compromise?

[Masta]

(failed on my quoted reply but this is in response to simaril ^^)
Oh of course, the middle ground is whatever your comfortable doing. Sometimes you get hazed for it, I once had a tank say he main's a healer and that I should take his advice and only focus on healing, of course I said thanks and continued to dps. He eventually raged and like 3 weeks later saw me in /shout and was like oh HI its masta, that terribly bad healer! Other times you must dps if you wanna do sub 10 minute WP runs. As a healer your true role "in my humble opinion" is to increase your parties effectiveness. The major way you do that is by yes healing, but you also have other tools in your kit for utility and for dps. So to became a great healer you learn how to effectively use all your tools for the greater good of the party. Which in my opinion creates a well rounded and balanced individual who can create synergy regardless of party.

[Zanika]

I think Im done with you, just continue being average, casting SS and making your runs last longer, you obviously don't see how to be efficient.

I look foward to seeing your preformance when the end-game content is released...

*This doesn't make any sense, HOW is SS a better choice in that situation? It costs more and takes longer to cast to do the job of 1 cure. You still don't get it..*
Then take my last sentence, put it before the scenario, and change "That's" for "This is." Stoneskin + Regen would have made a much more solid recovery than Regen + Cure. If you were half the healer you claim to be, you would've figured that out on your own.

*Again WHY would I waste time using SS when I can dps and keep him alive just as easy with a Cure or regen tick. Casting SS Is not making time to DPS, it's losing time to DPS*
How far did you read that before spouting off? Did you even get to the 'Invest' part?

*And again.. Im talking about TRASH pulls, NOT a boss fight, divine seal is up every trash pull and using it with a regen will keep a semi geared tank healed for a whole trash pack, there is no place for SS in the middle of a trash pull*
Since when were bosses the only ones with major aoe's? I only used the boss as an example. And again, you didn't read the full statement before commenting.
Remember the part where I said. "The use you were talking about is durring every encounter. That's where I question your logic. If your healing, without Divine Seal, surpasses the requirement, then why would you use it anyway? That's overkill! And a main reason to why average tanks lose aggro to WHMs."

Also since you chose to comment on this post instead of the one I made after (your selective reading not withstanding), I believe my description was valid even in your eyes. So that's that.

[Whippet]

Bullshit didn't read.

Lol any potent WHM knows that they can Nuke almost all turn 1 (exept Cadeus and you can even nuke him a bit) as WHM or SCH i can nuke almost all turn 2 (even on ADS) and SCH or WHM should nuke the dreadnaught in turn 4

I agree this is not end game yet but there is always a way to expant your capabilities

[Zanika]

Lol any potent WHM knows that they can Nuke almost all turn 1 (exept Cadeus and you can even nuke him a bit) as WHM or SCH i can nuke almost all turn 2 (even on ADS) and SCH or WHM should nuke the dreadnaught in turn 4

I agree this is not end game yet but there is always a way to expant your capabilities

You didn't read, so your argument is invalid. But just for amusement, what does this have to do with my post anyway?