Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Kazamoto]

The problem is, reading it's a thing, executing is another. There's a good reason why nobody use skillchain in ffXI since 10 years now, and it's because they're slow, they do poor damage, they take too much to execute and generally speaking it's much more convenient spamming skill when avaiable because they do more damage. Also, FFXI have a combat system in slow-motion, there's really no way that kind of mechanic could work here. We are no more waiting tp to build before using 1 skill

Tell that to Samurai, Bluemage, Puppet Masters, and a number of other jobs that now all Self skill chain. And if you are waiting until 100tp to use a skill, then you are doing it wrong.
Also, in FFXI auto attacks actually mattered. In FFXIV, only bard's does anything, and that is only with Barrage up.

[astrobear]

Hey! Great news everybody!

Final Fantasy XI is still operating!

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml

There you go! Your wish fulfilled.


Please take a minute to absorb the irony of criticizing A for being similar to B and demanding it be fixed by making it similar to C instead.

seriously this. i mean i get why when players in swtor ask to make the game more like SWG because swg has been closed down. FFXI IS STILL OPEN...GO PLAY IT.

[Knosis]

it seems they created a very safe game. Let's just hope they add more community oriented content. The game is very new let's give them time.

[Powderkeg]

This again? FFXI sucked, let's move past it.

Past tense yet it still is around with content still coming out, FFXI helped people understand what it ment to work together with your fellow man, built strong bonds that would last years, I can see why some people hated it. (snicker) Exactly why I fully agree with OP, it would weed out the hateful/toxic individuals. We need more love in the world not more hate.

[RyujinUzikin]

I agree with everything except 2hr abilities, those sucked, I'm sorry lol.

But man would it be awesome if they learned from 11.

11 wasn't perfect, but it's design allowed it to flourish a great community, a true sense of challenge and achievements. I was so disappointed when I gathered my AF in this game, I was like, "Seriously?" I just go and pick up the pieces? Wow...

I remember the epic experience I had in 11 when gathering my AF, and by the time it was complete, with the help of my fellow LS mates, I felt like I was on top of the world. That feeling is gone, this game is too forgiving and it gives everything away. The only thing I kind of worked hard to get was the relic, and it wasn't much of a challenge, just a stomp on Titan, nothing more.

[RowanLauron]

It's not Throwback Thursday yet!!

On a serious note, even though I loved XI and played it for 3 years before moving on to WoW, and now ARR, I'd never go back to it. NEVER.

[NovaUltimatum]

Hey! Great news everybody!

Final Fantasy XI is still operating!

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml

There you go! Your wish fulfilled.


Please take a minute to absorb the irony of criticizing A for being similar to B and demanding it be fixed by making it similar to C instead.

Perhaps you weren't aware, but it's become very clear to the FFXI community that the population (on individual servers at least) is dwindling. The players asked for server merges but they haven't been given. I've read a lot of players blaming their population issues on FFXIV's successes and saying their server hits about 400-600 people at peak times. (most of them being AFK in town).

Since XIV's launch a lot of XI players transferred and haven't really gone back. It caused a lot of endgame shells to break down too. In short, it's not the game people remember it as anymore.

[Seig345]

I like how people say FFXI isn't what it used to be so they can't just go back, but then use the game's current status of still running and charging a subscription fee to defend the formula the game no longer uses.

Which leaves you with FFXI not being what they want, and FFXIV not being what they want, but they come to FFXIV to demand it have what FFXI had instead of going to FFXI and demanding they change it back.

There's a demographic that FFXI's changes ostricized, so you can't tell them to go back and just play FFXI as is, but to me it makes more sense to expect SE to revert FFXI to how it used to be (so even if it means a flux in game population, at least it's in the game that no longer has the spotlight) than to have expected them to take a disaster and risk another by trying something different from the popular tried and true method. If SE is going to try to break cookie cutter, it was never going to happen with A Realm Reborn. Maybe once FFXIV is where FFXI is today and it's time for a new one.

[ThricebornTony]

1. You can already get a group together and grind like FFXI

I'm not arguing for or against, but this isn't true... at least in the spirit of what the OP is talking about.


A party of four can actually kill mobs that are very high in level vs them, but the exp that comes with that is extremely poor. If a party of four (tank, healer, two dps) try to kill mobs their own level or slightly higher where the best exp is, the mobs don't last long at all for any given time.. meaning there isn't any actual challenge to the activity. This is why everyone jams in eight people and doesn't worry about tanking or healing really; just run around in a FATE until whatever is chasing you dies by 40 or 50 other people's AoE.

They really do need to bring a suitable outside option for 4 man parties without having to wait around for dungeons or get burned out on the same dungeon.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Tell that to Samurai, Bluemage, Puppet Masters, and a number of other jobs that now all Self skill chain. And if you are waiting until 100tp to use a skill, then you are doing it wrong.
Also, in FFXI auto attacks actually mattered. In FFXIV, only bard's does anything, and that is only with Barrage up.

yeah yeah, self skillchain was "popular" (by popular i mean they were cool to do, but no one gived a fuck in party) in my old times too. But don't get delusional: auto-attack in ffXIV still matter, it's a nice portion of damage output for every melee class. The difference is, the game doesn't revolve anymore around them.
Also, we all played the same game, and we all know the game until wotg was "built tp, use strongest ws" in an endless circle. Throw some self buff inside and you have described basicly every dd in the game