Shroud of Saints mana regen should not be static

[CalvatE]

You mean bards that actually use their songs besides foe and the sprint one?

Yeah, quite a lot it's desired. Especially for Speed Runs, Mage's Ballad is joyous!

Although when I actually think about it... if 5000 MP is needed to regenerate 1000 MP... my raid leader (a Scholar, iLevel 84) has 4386 (let's say 4300)... 860 MP a minute... 2 minutes that becomes 1720 mana regenerated in the time we get one Shroud of Saints off.
And that's not including that attacking one which gives them back mana, too!

Although I wonder if it's a bug since...

Shroud of Saints actually scales off of healing potency...
Or at least is what is the text indicates

Why would it be potency if it were static...

I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, sure, 'fix' it and we can be using more (not spamming!) heals before running out of mana...
... but on the other hand... Then bards will slack off!!!!

[Pharazon]

I can already see how shroud needs a boost specially when doing things like AK with a new tank or a bad one.

This to me is why I love playing a healer in this game so much. You absolutely CAN NOT heal stupid in this game. When a tank or dps are eating too much you will run yourself out of mana or end up with all the hate. It forces everyone to have to play better. DPS and tanks can't be lazy with mechanics and the healers have to actively work to do their jobs as well.

I am all for looking into shroud down the road when it makes up a much less significant portion of our mana but for now it needs to be left alone so we can actually have a game where playing a healer doesnt devolve into infinite mana pools and spamming mindlessly.

Although when I actually think about it... if 5000 MP is needed to regenerate 1000 MP... my raid leader (a Scholar, iLevel 84) has 4386 (let's say 4300)... 860 MP a minute... 2 minutes that becomes 1720 mana regenerated in the time we get one Shroud of Saints off.

These numbers sound off too me, though to be fair I don't play a scholar, but they are supposedly better on the mana regen side of things. As a WHM I am passively regen'ing 6% every three seconds which using your numbers would be 5160 mp per minute

[CalvatE]

These numbers sound off too me, though to be fair I don't play a scholar, but they are supposedly better on the mana regen side of things. As a WHM I am passively regen'ing 6% every three seconds which using your numbers would be 5160 mp per minute

Probably! I suck at maths.

Isn't it just Total Mana * 0.20 to get the % that a SCH regenerates?
Unless you meant the SCH's mana because I checked up on the lodestone. He said it's pretty hard to run out of mana even when healing crazy, you'll just lose it if you waste it purposely.

Also 6% MP every 3 seconds? I thought it was 2%.

With my 4543 MP I don't think I regenerate 272 (6%) every 3 seconds but less (90 at 2%)

Edit: I should probably mention that by what i mean with SCH's regeneration is Aetherflow... they get another skill which also helps with MP too... and base MP regeneration...
Apparently a SCH heals more on single target too, they get the best of both mana and better heals... Until their fairy dies! Muwhaha!

[Raminax]

Perhaps Pharazon is forgetting that mana regeneration has different values outside and inside combat. But yes, 6% while in combat definitely sounds far too high.

[Pharazon]

Perhaps Pharazon is forgetting that mana regeneration has different values outside and inside combat. But yes, 6% while in combat definitely sounds far too high.

Maaaaaaybe. The numbers are still a bit off though. Passive regen at 4300 mana over 1 minute ((4300 x .02) * (60 / 3)) is 1720 or 3440 over 2 minutes to match the shroud cooldown.

[IceSpear]

Until their fairy dies! Muwhaha!

If they're a good Scholar they'll swftcast the fairy back. :P

[CalvatE]

Maaaaaaybe. The numbers are still a bit off though. Passive regen at 4300 mana over 1 minute ((4300 x .02) * (60 / 3)) is 1720 or 3440 over 2 minutes to match the shroud cooldown.

What's the 60 / 3 represent?

[Syncness]

Folks, my point isn't that shroud needs a mana buff, or that WHMs have a mana issue, or that SCHs have higher mana regen.

It's that shroud needs a piety component, for worse or better doesn't matter, the point is that it should scale with a stat instead of a static amount.

[Skies]

What's the 60 / 3 represent?

Because every 'tick' of everything (DoT, passive recoveries, whatever) happens every 3 seconds. And a minute is 60s so that is the number of tics in a minute.

[IceSpear]

Folks, my point isn't that shroud needs a mana buff, or that WHMs have a mana issue, or that SCHs have higher mana regen.

It's that shroud needs a piety component, for worse or better doesn't matter, the point is that it should scale with a stat instead of a static amount.

OK seriously why are you complaining... It doesn't need a piety component and if it does it'll be worse than what it does now.