The Summoner & WP

[Alhanelem]

I had a SMN in my party today.
Their DoT's aren't enough to keep charge of the Tonberry King Add's.
MNK had to help out because SMN dmg wasn't enough.
But I dunno about two...might be kinda tough lol.

Edit: He had Garuda if that means anything.

Normally you just poke the adds while yiou burn the boss as fast as possible. When I run, don't have anyone specifically going after them. but we're talking well geared speed running. Ive done it before before being well geared and SR, its a little harder but SMN can do it just fine if he knos what he's doing. You don't dot them, you just run 2 them while running around. They don't have much HP. Lay down your dots on boss and use contagion, don't waste actions dotting the adds.

But really, just stick to well geared people, and zerg the boss. Bane or ruin 2 them when they get close. You don't need to (and don't want to) kill all of them, just a few between each rancor.

[HamHam]

Normally you just poke the adds while yiou burn the boss as fast as possible. When I run, don't have anyone specifically going after them. but we're talking well geared speed running. Ive done it before before being well geared and SR, its a little harder but SMN can do it just fine if he knos what he's doing. You don't dot them, you just run 2 them while running around. They don't have much HP. Lay down your dots on boss and use contagion, don't waste actions dotting the adds.

But really, just stick to well geared people, and zerg the boss. Bane or ruin 2 them when they get close. You don't need to (and don't want to) kill all of them, just a few between each rancor.

The problem with bane is that it is capped to 3 enemies. So, the description on the skill is misleading. A summoner can't spread dots to all the adds, specially, in the last boss with the exception of shadow flare.

[Kasandaro]

The problem with bane is that it is capped to 3 enemies. So, the description on the skill is misleading. A summoner can't spread dots to all the adds, specially, in the last boss with the exception of shadow flare.

And Miasma II.

OP: I went in to WP first time in AF (ilvl 50), Market Board white HQ jewelry (49), and an Embossed Electrum Book (49 - yes, mom, it's been upgraded since), and had no time taking down the adds as long as I remembered to re-sic Garuda.

[Alhanelem]

The problem with bane is that it is capped to 3 enemies. So, the description on the skill is misleading. A summoner can't spread dots to all the adds, specially, in the last boss with the exception of shadow flare.

This problem is countered by the fact that Bane has a short cooldown and can be used to spread to additional enemies when it runs down-- this is still very effective when you use Contagion. You can spam miasma II if MP allows as well, the continuing dot plus the contact damage from the spell adds up and is worthwhile if you have a large group of enemies. I have no problem doing 15 min WPs on SMN, even with 2 SMN.

The power level of the dots spread is sufficient that SMN would be easily outdamaging other AoE sources if bane spread to all enemies in one shot.

Is it possible? ofcourse.
Is it feasible for speed runs? heck no

Bulllcrap. You can speed run with 2 summoners just fine. It's not #1 *the fastest*, but it's plenty fast enough.