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  1. #91
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    William_Conroy's Avatar
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    William Conroy
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    Famfrit
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Tanks are always going to be a rare or if nothing else less common breed. In your average group set up a large part of the responsibility falls on the tank. They tend to lead the group, are often blamed or looked down on for making any sort of mistakes, are generally expected to magically know how a fight works or where to go regardless of the content and just have to work HARDER then other roles. Most DPS classes just pluck away on damage skills and don't honestly have to try very hard at all. Don't get me started on the amount of times one of the dps in my groups has gone afk mid fight for 10-15 seconds without word or warning. Healers have to pay attention more then the dps but if the tank is geared and playing correctly in anything short of boss fights the healing required for a Paladin tank is minimal at best. I can get though a 1 or 2 mob pull without ANY healing at all in AK, which leaves the healer to either DPS or in many cases to just stand there doing nothing at all.

    You work harder, get none of the flash and pop of DPS and anytime you make a mistake it is easily apparent to everyone. I wonder why more people don't want to play this role... If tanks were not as rare as they are, being a good one wouldn't be a reward at all which is why most people even bother to play a tank in the first place.

    Its just my rant/two cents but I'm personally glad tanks are some what rare. I don't wish long boring queues on anyone but if this %^&* was easy... everyone would be doing it.
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  2. #92
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    Sephirah's Avatar
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    Nim Loki
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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by William_Conroy View Post
    Tanks are always going to be a rare or if nothing else less common breed. In your average group set up a large part of the responsibility falls on the tank. They tend to lead the group, are often blamed or looked down on for making any sort of mistakes, are generally expected to magically know how a fight works or where to go regardless of the content and just have to work HARDER then other roles. Most DPS classes just pluck away on damage skills and don't honestly have to try very hard at all. Don't get me started on the amount of times one of the dps in my groups has gone afk mid fight for 10-15 seconds without word or warning. Healers have to pay attention more then the dps but if the tank is geared and playing correctly in anything short of boss fights the healing required for a Paladin tank is minimal at best. I can get though a 1 or 2 mob pull without ANY healing at all in AK, which leaves the healer to either DPS or in many cases to just stand there doing nothing at all.

    You work harder, get none of the flash and pop of DPS and anytime you make a mistake it is easily apparent to everyone. I wonder why more people don't want to play this role... If tanks were not as rare as they are, being a good one wouldn't be a reward at all which is why most people even bother to play a tank in the first place.

    Its just my rant/two cents but I'm personally glad tanks are some what rare. I don't wish long boring queues on anyone but if this %^&* was easy... everyone would be doing it.
    I too have to chuckle a little bit with the way we are treated, and yet people wonder why there are so few of us. To any aspiring tanks out there, being a tank isn't for everyone, but if you learn, and can be patient with people, it is the most fun and rewarding role in the game, at least to me.

    (I ran sastasha for the first time as dps ever this morning... I was falling asleep x_X)

    On a non-ranty note, group composition does play a small role in the amount there are of each class. For group content there needs to be enough dps, if they suddenly released content that required 5 tanks, 2 dps, and a healer, well... either more people would need to role tanks or those queues would be KUHRAYZEEE.
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    Last edited by Sephirah; 10-28-2013 at 10:20 AM.

    http://youtu.be/gGJPq1qmtrk - PLD Controller Tanking AK with no UI video

  3. #93
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    ChaozK's Avatar
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    Baal Mirtaq
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    Shiva
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Shortage of tanks? Healers? Pfft
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  4. #94
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    Wormed Facebreaker
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    Behemoth
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    Marauder Lv 50
    As a Turn5 WAR/PLD, I've just recently gotten my MNK to level 50 and like William_Conroy said earlier, being a tank is just more work overall. The expectations are very high and any mistake is automatically blown up and made to be a bigger issue than it is. I got my MNK to 50 to honestly turn my brain off. It is so damn easy to just plug away at DPS skills and let the onus for a successful run be put onto someone else for a change.

    I like tanking but tanking for people who don't appreciate a good run makes it very hard to do on a daily basis. I'm definitely enjoying my MNK at the moment. I'll save my tanking for my LS Coil group who appreciates it.
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    lol, udead.

  5. #95
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    PSxpert2011's Avatar
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    Psxpert Sylph
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Jeeez, I wonder why!

    Instead of putting down paladins and warriors, it's best to encourage them! If any other game that I can remember leveling up Paladin, it's FFXI and that was no walk-in-the-park.
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    Last edited by PSxpert2011; 10-28-2013 at 11:10 AM.


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  6. #96
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    J'zara Darkholme
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 42
    Because the class is terrible (especially at low levels), and so is the community.

    I've tried its not fun.
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  7. 10-28-2013 11:35 AM

  8. #97
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    Kuvu's Avatar
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    Ashigaru Gladespliter
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    Gilgamesh
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by wormed View Post
    As a Turn5 WAR/PLD, I've just recently gotten my MNK to level 50 and like William_Conroy said earlier, being a tank is just more work overall. The expectations are very high and any mistake is automatically blown up and made to be a bigger issue than it is. I got my MNK to 50 to honestly turn my brain off. It is so damn easy to just plug away at DPS skills and let the onus for a successful run be put onto someone else for a change.

    I like tanking but tanking for people who don't appreciate a good run makes it very hard to do on a daily basis. I'm definitely enjoying my MNK at the moment. I'll save my tanking for my LS Coil group who appreciates it.
    I rolled up BLM for the same thing. I get so tired of putting up with peoples BS in a group and no matter what its always the tanks fault even when people are being douche bags and admit in group that they were intentionally attacking the wrong mob just to screw with me, iam still the bad guy, as a dps i dont have to do anything but blow shit up. The only time i tank now is when i run with LS mates or on coil, the tanking experience in coil is sooooo much better then dealing with DF dungeon runs.
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  9. #98
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    Wazabi's Avatar
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    Wazabi Theo
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    Tonberry
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    Arcanist Lv 49
    given that I have to choose between less tank or more incompetent tank, I would choose less tank. A noob tank just waste everyone's time starting from Brayflox (lv32).

    If you can't tank a level 20+ dungeon without being getting complained, you will either need to get down from your high ego, stop believing you're a special snowflake and learn, or just play DPS. Tanking comes naturally to most hardcore players, but to a casual players, the concept can be hard to grasp.

    The way this game's dungeon is structured, even DPS can have a huge impact on the team...but at least that's a shortfall that the other competent players can cover to a certain extend.

    Even though I never yell at tanks (at least in this game...looking at a lalafell always calms me down), but I can understand the frustration especially at higher level dungeon of a fail tank or any other class for that matter.

    Some of the fail players that I've seen:
    -A pally with blue gear that can't hold aggro properly in brayflox, and can't work out the boss mechanics.
    -Tank that can't stay dodge brayflox AOE
    -A healer that doesn't cast protect.
    -A healer that doesn't do combat raise at lv32
    -Noob summoner who's pet keep waking up cc targets
    -Tank that only hold aggro on boss and doesn't care about adds
    -Healer that DPS and get the tank killed.
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  10. #99
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    Ceol Ashwin
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ChaozK View Post
    You have a tank. He's floating behind you.

    That's still cool, but I don't think you can claim you did it without a tank, and since SMNs can cure their pets pretty effectively (and have a decent party cure) it wouldn't exactly be fair to say you did it without a healer, as well.
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  11. #100
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    I tried raising a tank. I wasn't planning on doing much endgame with it, but I thought it would be fun. A few times I was actually praised for my low-level nubby tanking. I'm pretty sure they were just being nice and trying to encourage me to keep learning. Haha. What put me off tanking is the DPS who refuse to kill things marked from 1-5(when they single target dps something). When I'm a new tank, learning exactly how to manage the mobs in a new dungeon, the very least a DPS can do is help me out by trying to stick to one target if they're not AoEing or dotting. Sure, I can still manage to hold most things when DPS don't listen...but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be annoyed.

    I'm sticking to healing and DPSing. Tanking simply stresses me out.
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    Last edited by Elim; 10-28-2013 at 03:25 PM.

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