Is SE's Marketing / PR department -severely- hurting the games chances of success?

[Shai]

Yes, it stops at summer. I agree.

As in "before the fall."

You're proving my point, j-a.

[Joeking]

Don't be fooled by those that say patch 1.18 will be a game changer.

Based on the blueprint and producer's letter, 1.18(i.e June update) will feature only ONE rank50 dungeon, ONE rank30 dungeon, CORE auto attack(meaning something sucky), and some other minor changes.

Just be prepared for another huge disappointment.

This is what I'm expecting as well and will be the death of this game for me, if it isn't semi decent at least bare minimum...

If it does fail, perhaps time to kick Yoshi out like what happened to Tanaka and get someone else, I foresee a horrible and vicious cycle..

[Azurymber]

Yes, it stops at summer. I agree.

As in "before the fall."

You're proving my point, j-a.

So you're saying if someone said to you "drive until the end of the road then take a right" you would drive halfway or past the road and then take a right? Pretty sure you would crash =very= quickly

[Shai]

Try this one: I filled out this form up until page 3.

Did I fill out page 3? Yes.
Though it's implied that I stopped before the end of it.

Did I stop on page 2? Nope.

Goddamn. I am right. You guys are being ridiculous.
Carry on. I'm done with this thread.
Go ahead and mock me to your hearts content.

Yoshida's wording was ambiguous at best, but accurate nonetheless. Good day, gentlemen.

[Shai]

So you're saying if someone said to you "drive until the end of the road then take a right" you would drive halfway or past the road and then take a right? Pretty sure you would crash =very= quickly

one more "for the road."

Your grammar is wrong. You would drive to the end of the road.
You could even drive up to the end of the road, but that doesn't imply stopping at the beginning, does it?
There's some follow through implied.

Keep proving my points, though. I don't mind. Hasta.

[Jynx]

The only "PR and Marketing" for this game is in slumber because they dare not breath a word about it to the general public until it's representable. As for us who are currently playing, they don't need to "Earn" our support nor do they need to impress us. SE needs to make this game work for the general public not the small crowd of people either cheering or booing them.

They give us information when they think it's ready to come out, they will continue to be as "Cryptic" as you say, as they want. Summer 2011 isn't what I would call vague, it sounds like the entirety of the season, summer is a season not a date on a callendar. Hell they can delay everything on that list and not tell us until months afterwards. I doubt the entire list will be finished by summer it was a massive undertaking and we the comunity continue to throw them more and more curvballs that they need to adjust too to make sure the game comes out in the best possible shape for when it is re-released.

Yoshida gave us a timeline, not a set date. The game is still in developement and developement scheduels can and will change to fit the needs of the game. Nobody cares if "Summer" comes and goes and there is still work to do. If thats outside of your realm of perception you don't have to wait the door is over there and we wont miss you one bit. If the game fails so be it, but what we don't need is blind pecimism with little to no basis.

Marketing and PR for this game is the last thing on there mind, as it should be.

*edit*
Whats with all the stupid semantics about the TRANSLATED developer post? Translation errors happen all the time and unless you are fluint in Japanese I doubt you can go double check the official post to see if it's 100% flawless anyways.

Who cares if it was "Summer 2011" or "Until summer 2011" It can and will probably be much longer than that.

[Azurymber]

Try this one: I filled out this form up until page 3.

Did I fill out page 3? Yes.
Though it's implied that I stopped before the end of it.

Did I stop on page 2? Nope.

Goddamn. I am right. You guys are being ridiculous.
Carry on. I'm done with this thread.
Go ahead and mock me to your hearts content.

Yoshida's wording was ambiguous at best, but accurate nonetheless. Good day, gentlemen.

um no.. if you say up until page 3 you did not fill out page 3. I provided you with the official definitions of the word which backs my point up....

[Shai]

Just one more time, I guess. ^^ Haha.

"until" means to a certain point.
"up until" means the latest time, or ending time of something that occurs.

I promise. So up until summer? It means the end time will be SUMMER. Not when summer starts, but during summer (aka before the autumn). I hope I posted enough times to get through to some people. ^^

[Azurymber]

Just one more time, I guess. ^^ Haha.

"until" means to a certain point.
"up until" means the latest time, or ending time of something that occurs.

I promise. So up until summer? It means the end time will be SUMMER. Not when summer starts, but during summer (aka before the autumn). I hope I posted enough times to get through to some people. ^^

this argument is pointless since the last line of the letter was "(Remember, these are our plans until summer 2011!)"

[Shai]

Derail your own thread more, man, just cause you have a hard on for being right.

You have a good OP. Keep it going. Don't let me stop your momentum.

(Belay my last. I want this back on track.)