Crafting 3 X-potions = 12.5 tomes of philosophy.

[Lemuria]

Eh?! I'm not so sure about that.

Some 2-star recipes are worth tomes, but not nearly the amount required. The ones I'd recommend are the goldsmith recipes like bracelets, earrings and so on, since the Darklight/Hero versions for those slots are extremely limited on stats, whilst the the crafted ones can be slotted with materia to boost them and make them more useful.

That said, at 2 rose gold ingots each (a whopping 2250 tomes), they're abhorrently expensive in terms of time investment compared to simply buying the hero accessories. SE really needs to re-evaluate the costs of these recipes.

[Laryndra]

I used full two star crafted gear on both DRG and MNK.. Its better than darklight hands down. Is it more expensive? Yes.. But if you're min/maxing its better than darklight. lol

[Whhambulance]

Im not feeling the shard problem, if you hit the nodes hard and quickly I can probably pull up 1,000-1,100 shards an hour. it take somewhere around 6k shards I think to do 1-50 so 6hours to grind shard to level 1-50 isn't too bad.

[Soukyuu]

I used full two star crafted gear on both DRG and MNK.. Its better than darklight hands down. Is it more expensive? Yes.. But if you're min/maxing its better than darklight. lol

The topic is still paying 12.5 tomes of 3 potions you can get for free as a CM drop. Alchemy is more screwed up than anything.

[Bufkus]

125 tomes (or 1 and a quarter dungeon runs) for 30 potions isn't that bad.

The problem is that the potions themselves still don't have a good utility. The potions need a shorter cd.
Also, there's no sense in recommending running CM to get these potions when you only have a 1/8th chance at the drop.

[Vortok]

CM gives NQ, not HQ.

Right now tome mats are ridiculously expensive because everybody is still buying darklight so tomes are at a premium. In 6-9 months the prices will likely drop (just like Disciple of the Land mats drop in prices as more people farm them), the lvl 70 crafted gear will be less appealing due to better gear from dungeons/raids, and using (now cheap) tomes on Alchemy potions will start to look more attractive.

It's just stupid expensive right now because there's a million better uses for tomes. In time Alchemy will probably be the best usage of tome mats.... unless they're required for housing furniture recipes in which case who knows, hehe. They might add gear recipes beyond 2 star to keep the crafting/materia system relevant, but we won't know until then if they use philo mats or not (if such recipes are even added).

[Soukyuu]

Even if tomes become cheap, as Bufkus said, the potions are not even useful. And SE explicitly said they will leave the as they are ("no plans to revise how medicine works", from what I remember). And IMHO CM drop being 1/8 chance to get is still better than wasting tomes better spent elsewhere...

[Laryndra]

The topic is still paying 12.5 tomes of 3 potions you can get for free as a CM drop. Alchemy is more screwed up than anything.

I was unaware you could pull High Quality potions out of CM chests. Thanks I'll have to try this.

Sarcasm aside, 125 tokens gives 30 HQ Potions, this should be plenty to get you through a week worth of raiding. I don't see what the problem is here.

[Soukyuu]

The problem here is, even if you HQ the potions, they won't be worth squat. Again: how will having a potion that restores <1k hp on a 2(?) minute timer help you in any situation, especially considering the damage most high-end encounters dish out?

[Laryndra]

The problem here is, even if you HQ the potions, they won't be worth squat. Again: how will having a potion that restores <1k hp on a 2(?) minute timer help you in any situation, especially considering the damage most high-end encounters dish out?

An extra 570 MP from an x-ether can keep a bards buffs up longer, extend a healer's healing or DD Mages DPS by alot and I cannot count how many times a well timed X potion / Self heal ability has saved me in Coil, especially turn 4. Even if it doesnt SAVE me, its good to have for a "Woops i screwed up and ate that ADS repulse" and pop the potion to save your healer the GCD. 30 potions for 125 tomes is fine, and the potions themselves are fine.

Also saying you can get these for "Free" as a CM drop is a fallacy, since you have to waste ~30-45 minutes to run CM. Opportunity costs. Please check it.