Not being able to buy single items from a stack on the marketward.

[HinaCake]

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[MentalPoison]

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Thank you very much, I can only blame myself for allowing his rage to go unchecked in every thread I post in. He obviously is hellbent on insulting me and my family, which I can just not tolerate for another moment. Be careful here, I think the idea behind this thread is now to try and chase out anyone who brings logical points against the topic.

[Wulfies]

I had no problem selling goods in my 30s, my FC members in their 30s dont either. As a 50 now, I do not bother with lvl 30 stuff, so they only compete with others around their level.. Or from the looks of it some people in this thread who are still selling vendor bought eggs for a 3gil profit each.

First off, seems a bit odd that you are talking baout being 50 (hell even lvl 30) with crafts yet you do not have one. Is this your second char? If you don't, please wait till you have a class in the range and have experience before you start with your so called "debunking" of other people's ideas.

Your char as seen on on the SE website

Still waiting on a reposnse to this question......

I dont understand why you guys are lying, exaggerating, and bending the reality.. To make a point?

Where did Sinbios "Lie" or "Bend reality." Please provide us quotes so we can refute the validity of your claim.

You're trying so hard to be an e-thug, that you refuse to even acknowledge the truthful explanation. I am going to offer it to you one more time and ignore you if you still are not intelligent enough to grasp it.

Darksteel ore, 99 stack, 666 per.
Darksteel ore, 6 stack, 888 per.
Darksteel ore, 1, 1111 per.

Lets use your example above, now I put my 3 stacks at "99 stack" @ 665/ore, "6 stack" @ 887, "1 stack" @ 1110. Now lets say that BizzyBeast decides to sell the same thing at "99 stack" @ 664/ore, "6 stack" @ 886/ore, "1 stack" @ 1109/ore. Then Sinbios sells the followin, "99 stack" @ 664/ore, "6 stack" @ 886/ore, "1 stack" @ 1108/ore. Now imagine another 10-20 people doing the exact same thing. Now, please do not say that never happens cause it does. The way the system is currently setup is very cumbersone to say the least to adjust prices, which is what sinbios was areguing. Anyone with any type of education could have taken that away from the quote (if not, there are few quotes through-out the post that point this out).

Yes, I find the system very cumbersome to use at this point. Maintaining 10 listings of one item at different stack sizes takes a long time, and it's not even guaranteed to sell. It would be much better to have guaranteed sales by having buy orders, this fulfills the need for instant gratification of sales for some which is the root cause of frequent undercutting, and is healthier for the economy in the long run as prices will converge much more easily to the true price dictated by supply and demand since the actual amount of both will be plain to see.

More lies. You word things like "its not even guaranteed to sell", as if buying from a stack would create automatic sales for everyone. This is forum "spin" and has no basis in reality.

You also use another tactic I keep witnessing, the ole "Throw in another suggestion to work in tandem with this one!". This is not about Buy Orders, it is about BUYING INDIVIDUALLY FROM A STACK. Which will ruin the current market.

Sinbios IS right, there is no guarantee that an item will sell. No where does Sinbios say that the buying from stacks guarantee a sale (If I missed it please quote that). We do have a topic that adresses this possiblity:

Buy-Side Mechanics of an AH

Also, with your suggestion of saying "So and So's Kitchen is open, LvL 50 CUL!" isn't that the idea behind the creation of hte market wards/market boards? So that people do not have to waste their time doing that to make money?

Again declined, if youre too lazy to promote your craft, but cry when you cant sell things for what you want, in the amount you want.. Then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, not the system. 40 retainers work when you actively sell, then fill them for when youre not online. Still kinda laughing at "waste their time", you guys are so entitled its outrageous. You know that whatever craft you hit 50 in, there is 10s of THOUSANDS of other people at 50 in them? Everything is a "waste of time" with you guys. Restocking retainers, keeping up with the market, and NOW even selling to players at the prices YOU want, in the amount YOU want.. Is a waste of time.

"Declined"?? really?? really?? You never even answered the question, you decided to spout out on some rant that I am the problem. Obviously, I am the one with the problem, and the other 46 pages of people giving their 2 gil to this means nothing....

So, let me put this in terms that you can understand. I do not know about you, but I have maybe 1 hour every couple of nights a week. Now, how do i effiently use my time? I can either:

1) spend that hour with your macro hoping on the off chance that I can sell my wares or
2) Mine/craft/kill some pigs

Which is a better use of my time???

I am sorry, now where did I ever say that I was "a struggling street crafter" as you put it? Can you please provide me the quotes and the post #s. To my knowledge I haven't.

You are having trouble selling in this market, if you werent you wouldnt be trying to ruin the market. Im sorry but the whole "I made 10 trillion in FF7" doesnt fly either, nobody cares about another game.

If you are going to talk about me making gil in FFXIV 1.0, atleast have the common courtesy to provide the quote. Yes I made a shit ton of gil in 1.0 which had this buy-from stack. You can ask pretty much anyone here, but I do NOT think Buying from stacks was the reason 1.0 failed.

Again, you are diverging from topic. We are not arguing tax, both systems have/had taxes associated with this way of selling (selling cloth in clothiers ward yielded 2.5% tax not 5% in 1.0). We are not talking about roaming bazaars (which would be cool to have again, but that is a different topic). So I will re-state to try and be more clear, how is the 2.0 system so much better than the 1.0 system in terms of HOW items are sold?

This was one of the best forum moves ive seen in awhile. Ask me a question about something you didnt know, then tell me im diverging from the topic when you force me to explain it to you.

Seriously I smiled at how well played that was. Anyway I now refuse your question, as the system in 1.0 has nothing to do with this topic, as you stated. You know because of the whole fool me twice shame on me gimmick.

The 1.0 system has EVERYTHING to do with this topic, I do not know how you can not see that. We had in place in 1.0 a market system where you could buy from a stack. Which, low and behold, is what the OP is requesting. So the question is, did you play in 1.0? If not, let me break it down for you to understand.

In 1.0 If i wanted to buy a spool of yarn, I would go to the market wards, use a search function to find who was selling and then go to the appropriate ward to buy from the retainer (From their stack). In 2.0 they removed the step of me walking to the appropraite ward to buy and removed the ability to buy from their stack.

Did i miss anything, if not can you PLEASE answer my question propsed in my quote?

[Famfritquester]

As a DoL and a DoH when i choose to sell a stack of item X it means i am selling you the stack. I often sell a stack for much less then if i was selling 1 at a time, as a bulk deal. Meaning i sell 1 of X for 500gil for example, or a stack of X for about 300gil each. So my profit here is selling you the full stack rather then 1 by 1. So no i do not agree to having people peck at a stack i am selling and taking it for no profit to me. You should be requesting people to sell single's of an item that's fine and i do that often. But asking for what you are, no thank you. I rather just sell it the the Npc for low profit then give it away!

EDIT: Last sentence

TOTALLY AGREE! When I go to Sam's Club, I'm getting a better deal because I'm buyin 2 gallons of catsup. When I run to the gas station/"convenience" store, I know I'm going to pay an ass-load of money for a 1 oz single serving packet! It's all about the convenience.

[ShackledDreams]

System is working as intended. Everyone has the option to sell thier product at smaller quantity, but if you're not buying the product in bulk, you're often paying a higher price for it. I get the fact that people don't want to pay the higher price, perhaps they only need one of an item, but if the cost/quantity is too high, then you're better off gathering it yourself.

As someone who enjoys playing the market, I certainly don't want to sit on an item more than a week or two at most and retainer sale space is limited. Yet, that's exactly what would happen with current market board trends of undercutting if they implemented a way to buy portions of stacks.

Edit: TL-DR: You can't please all of the people all of the time.

[Wazabi]

@shackleddreams
Like your post. All argued changes have their pros and cons...it will just change the way I play the market...and those that can't adapt (like some who are used to market from FF11 or other MMO) will always complain because they have difficulty learning a new trading mechanics.

[tymora]

I'll be one of the ones who want this "sell 1 by 1 from listed stack" functionality back.

From a seller perspective, I don't want to use up 40/40 of my slots selling 1 item. I will want to sell 40 different items on all the slots.
From a buyer perspective, I don't want to buy 99 of something to use a handful. If you make me do that, I'll do something else.

After the announcement on retainers in housing zones, it might seem that they are reserving this functionality for that, to make people go buy things there.
-> Housing instance retainers = 1.0 wards without crowding issues

[ShinkuTachi]

Eff this, if I want to sell my items in stacks of 99, and that's the only option you have....then too freakin bad.

There is an option if you only want a single or just a few of an item. You could hope that someone is selling singles or small quantities; or, or, or, or, or.....GO FARM OR CRAFT THE ITEM YOU WANT YOURSELF!

[tymora]

Eff this, if I want to sell my items in stacks of 99, and that's the only option you have....then too freakin bad.

There is an option if you only want a single or just a few of an item. You could hope that someone is selling singles or small quantities; or, or, or, or, or.....GO FARM OR CRAFT THE ITEM YOU WANT YOURSELF!

Yeah sure. I can go gather and craft every myself. 1 craft...ok...2 crafts...ok...
When you have all classes/jobs at 50 and people make you buy stacks of stuff that will rot in your inventory, then it matters a lot more.
-> Being able to buy parts of a stack means you never have to store the extra.

[Haru]

What you need is an option to specify QTY breaks.

List up as many or as little as you want.

Set price break for item..
QTY: 1 = $49g
QTY: 10+ = $45g
QTY: 99+ = $41g

When said purchaser comes along they can enter how many they are looking to buy and be offered the amount in separate lists.

This way if the supplier lists a minimum break of 99+ it means that it can only be purchased in stacks, however they could list the whole stack with a QTY break of 1 which would allow people to shave off the top. If a few people shave they could still get some savings buy buying 10+ or 20+ whatever you set it to.