The markets, stalls, price listing and undercutting. (A suggestion)

[Rentahamster]

130k tonight is worth more than 155k after three price resets five days from now. You're not worth my time to negotiate fair market price with, and I don't care what happens to that market. That's why I undercut you.

Stop whining. Call my bluff and buy my lance, then put it back up for 170k if you think you're right.

Indeed.

people need to get used to undercutting in general
its the natural order of all MMO economies until you hit the bottom end

also, leveling recipes will never sell worth a damn so people need to get over trying to profit on those too

Yep.

I want lancers to have access to good weapons more than I want gil.

Well said.


In this thread: Some players think their stuff is worth more than it actually is.

One of the characteristics of a good crafter is being able to produce stuff as cheaply, quickly, and efficiently as possible. If others are able to do it better due to being able to gather their own mats, having other people do it for them, having their friends and LS work as a team to create cheap goods, etc, then so be it. Try harder.

This is the same principle behind why battle classes who party advance more than those who just solo. Cooperation makes everything easier.

[Xenor]

How much do you pay for a market raw garnet and amethyst? 12k? Come on. Ripping and flipping simple rings for at elast a 40k profit for NQ and 340k profit for a lousy, pointless +1 is making out like a bandit.

If there's someone willing to put that lance up for 100k, more power to them. I'm tired of seeing gougers waste their and my time by running bazaars that aren't worth anyone's time.

Electrum ring+1s are ****. Garbage. You didn't stand a chance. You never will in worthless pieces like those and rings. They're grinding materials. Who are you kidding trying to sell them for 80k? I made so many that not only did I give them away to people I knew, but I made more than sold on the market. There will always be someone grinding on those.

You all want paid unreasonable wages. Why that is, I don't know. Doesn't really matter. Not gonna happen. They have you by the balls. They're an undercutter to you, you're a price gouger to them...and honestly you either play by their rules or you quit.

Undercutting is reasonable. It's the people who think their products are worth more than they actually are who are unreasonable.

I don't give a damn what you make selling lances to lowbies "because it's a pain to gather the mats." This lance is moving, because it's not a pain to buy a used hand me down.

I've not been buying the gems, just trying to get rid of my stock of gems that I've had for ages. But they do seem to go for around 10k each, and then the electrum nuggets are worth around 4.5-5k each so let's say 22k to make when you factor in the shards. I don't think adding 28k for the time it took to make the synth and the effort of going to Dragonhead or Treespeak is a bad thing. I'd probably make more money mining Halatali and selling the gold. So you've got to add compensation for your time spent in those other areas vs what you could spend in Halatali or no one is going to want to make those rings. You seem to be over looking this factor. I once went up Dragonhead specifically for Amethyst rings. There's some gold up there but not as much as I'd get spending that time in Halatali. So I've got to add some profit to the Amethyst rings I make.

You probably had a point with the electrum ring HQs because you get gold mining anywhere and HQs are a side effect of skilling up on them. But you aren't going to choose to skill up on Garnet or Amethyst rings because you're better off mining Halatali for its gold. Plus I stand by skilling on electrum is like throwing gil down the toilet. I got off it at about 50k to rank 48 and I estimated franciscas would save me about 2 million gil per rank in those final ranks. Scale glue mats are easy to farm, ash hafts come in 16s and you can get someone to skill up on the heads. But let's try and convince people to keep buying that gold sand/ore we mine otherwise it would be worthless lol.

But at the end of the day I'm going to charge a price people are willing to pay. I normally base my prices off what I have sold things for in the past. Garnet and Amethyst rings have always been in the 50-70k range so if I can get that I will. If no one buys them because they're over priced I'll happily lower them. Just like no one is buying my 10k walnut logs right now I'm probably going to lower them to 9k tomorrow. I've let people undercut me on those because I have sold them for 10k in recent past. But the market has decided they're worth 8-9k so fair enough I'll cave in.

[Peregrine]

I've not been buying the gems, just trying to get rid of my stock of gems that I've had for ages. But they do seem to go for around 10k each, and then the electrum nuggets are worth around 4.5-5k each so let's say 22k to make when you factor in the shards. I don't think adding 28k for the time it took to make the synth and the effort of going to Dragonhead or Treespeak is a bad thing. I'd probably make more money mining Halatali and selling the gold. So you've got to add compensation for your time spent in those other areas vs what you could spend in Halatali or no one is going to want to make those rings. You seem to be over looking this factor. I once went up Dragonhead specifically for Amethyst rings. There's some gold up there but not as much as I'd get spending that time in Halatali. So I've got to add some profit to the Amethyst rings I make.

You probably had a point with the electrum ring HQs because you get gold mining anywhere and HQs are a side effect of skilling up on them. But you aren't going to choose to skill up on Garnet or Amethyst rings because you're better off mining Halatali for its gold. Plus I stand by skilling on electrum is like throwing gil down the toilet. I got off it at about 50k to rank 48 and I estimated franciscas would save me about 2 million gil per rank in those final ranks. Scale glue mats are easy to farm, ash hafts come in 16s and you can get someone to skill up on the heads. But let's try and convince people to keep buying that gold sand/ore we mine otherwise it would be worthless lol.

But at the end of the day I'm going to charge a price people are willing to pay. I normally base my prices off what I have sold things for in the past. Garnet and Amethyst rings have always been in the 50-70k range so if I can get that I will. If no one buys them because they're over priced I'll happily lower them. Just like no one is buying my 10k walnut logs right now I'm probably going to lower them to 9k tomorrow. I've let people undercut me on those because I have sold them for 10k in recent past. But the market has decided they're worth 8-9k so fair enough I'll cave in.

you have reserve garnet and amethyst. I have reserve garnet and amethyst. I'm just not burning them to try to capitalize on a futures market. I expect the future market to be a better use of them.

If you have excess rocks, and I have excess rocks, then many people have excess rocks. You and I are not special. You and I are not different. You can argue that they're rare, but they're really not. You just said so.

If there truly weren't a lot of garnets and amethysts, there wouldn't be any more and supply wouldn't be able to keep up with demand of all those crafters needing 3 rings each. They'd be 100k. ONce they were 100k, I'd start using my garnet and amethyst reserves.

Electrum nuggets aren't 5k a piece. You're fudging way too much "pay me for being me" factor.

[Xenor]

you have reserve garnet and amethyst. I have reserve garnet and amethyst. I'm just not burning them to try to capitalize on a futures market. I expect the future market to be a better use of them.

If you have excess rocks, and I have excess rocks, then many people have excess rocks. You and I are not special. You and I are not different.

I was originally keeping my gems for that reason but lately I've been selling off anything that isn't HQ or Amethyst or Garnet because I expect the future market to be T3 gems. It would just be stupid if SE add new recipes for T2s. If they do I can go out and farm some easy enough.

[Peregrine]

I got off it at about 50k to rank 48 and I estimated franciscas would save me about 2 million gil per rank in those final ranks.

So 6 million gil for the cost of never having to bother relying on anyone else, or the time it takes to synth all the submats...worth it to me. Waste of my time. If I can burn gil to not waste my time, I do it. Silver fransiscas look like a pain. I'll take the opportunity cost of electrum rings, if I don't just straight coast to 50 goldsmither on leves. I have another 45 heliodor and aquamarine gems, and 300 electrum nuggets. I may use them. I may not.

160k sp to go, that's not very much.

It's clear that I take those decisions. You don't. That's why I put the lance up for 130k. You'd put it up for 168.

Plus, I'm saving all my silver. It's going to get me 50-53 BSM. Gonna take a lot of silver still, and coblyns are appropriately nerfed now. Silver's not 1k an ore.

[TheVedis]

So 6 million gil for the cost of never having to bother relying on anyone else, or the time it takes to synth all the submats...worth it to me. Waste of my time. If I can burn gil to not waste my time, I do it. Silver fransiscas look like a pain. I'll take the opportunity cost of electrum rings, if I don't just straight coast to 50 goldsmither on leves.

Which I might. 160k sp to go, that's not very much.

It's clear that I take those decisions. You don't. That's why I put the lance up for 130k. You'd put it up for 168.

dont forget you can use task boards to get cheaper sp every day too! it may not be much but that 2k sp per city can sure add up when the mats usualy only cost 5k for the turnin compared to some of those more expensive goldsmith synths...ugh theres a reason im saving it for last with cooking

[Xenor]

So 6 million gil for the cost of never having to bother relying on anyone else, or the time it takes to synth all the submats...worth it to me. Waste of my time. If I can burn gil to not waste my time, I do it. Silver fransiscas look like a pain. I'll take the opportunity cost of electrum rings, if I don't just straight coast to 50 goldsmither on leves. I have another 45 heliodor and aquamarine gems, and 300 electrum nuggets. I may use them. I may not.

160k sp to go, that's not very much.

It's clear that I take those decisions. You don't. That's why I put the lance up for 130k. You'd put it up for 168.

Plus, I'm saving all my silver. It's going to get me 50-53 BSM. Gonna take a lot of silver still, and coblyns are appropriately nerfed now. Silver's not 1k an ore.

It's not that bad. ALCs usually skill up on scale glue anyway, they'll love you if you bring them free SP. The CRP synth is so low you can probably do it yourself and you could hasty hand the heads if you can't find someone in the late 20s to skill on them. But fair enough if you want to do it with electrum. You don't seem to care about gil so it's no big loss to you.