Selling HM titan kills

[Dyss]

I only posted about this because people like one of the ragers is yelling and raging about someone selling a HM Titan and how it is a way of pushing unskilled people through content and steps should be taken against this.

However if you read his comments in the thread about a Free carry through HM Titan (yes it ask you to have gear, but gear does not mean skill) he starts licking their boot like a dog praising them about their good will.

I hate hypocrite idiots

[Raze_Krauser]

I only posted about this because people like one of the ragers is yelling and raging about someone selling a HM Titan and how it is a way of pushing unskilled people through content and steps should be taken against this.

However if you read his comments in the thread about a Free carry through HM Titan (yes it ask you to have gear, but gear does not mean skill) he starts licking their boot like a dog praising them about their good will.

I hate hypocrite idiots

Did you even read what you wrote before posting?

Paying for a Kill is the issue, yes.

But getting lining up for a HM Titan run for free is something totally different, in a totally different context. That is looks like you can't wrap your head around... "Hypocrite", my @$$.

[Raze_Krauser]

When someone says "for free" in the context of running HM Titan; it's basically to counter-act the parasite service that a few offer. Basically saying "Why pay for it, when our FC is willing to let you in our runs without cost? We look at building a community, networking, recruiting for our own FC....etc. Proving that we are the friendly ones that want see our FC grow and be successful, while seeing the individual grow too."....thinking I'm full of crap? The Goblin board as a whole can prove you wrong right here and now. Hell, to be fair, I'm sure you are right and they'll run Titan like a win-seller would by letting them die in the corner while the rest to the work, and for free; JUST to make win-selling a profit-less venture. Sure I'll still stand by what i said; that kind of playing is weak-sauce.

[Dyss]

You offer them yet another short-cut with a faster speed restrictions. They can die in the fight, get their kill for their relic quest, and maybe a Titan weapon on the side, but they'll still be unskilled scrubs.

SO the baddies and suckers that buy into your service learn nothing except being self entitled punks, much like yourself. They sit on the that high-pedestal they paid for, looking down on lower level or lesser geared players, spewing out garbage like "hurr durr, WARs can't tank Coil hurr durr" or "LF EXPERIENCED player for AK speed runs!", while in truth they've done nothing to earn that opinion. In short, your "services" breed a negative attitude with the social community in games like this.

GFTO

So the people that get free runs are not scrubs? Why is it they could never get HM Titan down till someone carried them through, it could be skill or it could be bad luck, to many what if's and your silly if you are blind to the fact that Free HM Titan runs and Buying/Selling HM Titan runs are the same.

Finally just as I was losing hope that everyone on the server had to pay to win at this game....good gamemanship fellas.

Quoted from another thread, that I do not wish to derail with a argument but want to show how someone has so many flaws in their argument in this thread when they praise it when the price is free.

[Dyss]

I never said I was against giving away Free HM Titan runs, I have even praised their guild because it can be a good recruitment tool, because it gets their Free Company name out. I am not saying that is their reason, and its stupid to assume that they are doing it as a mean to combat capitalism in a video game. This is a game, play it the way you enjoy and with what time you have, if you do not have the time to do higher content but you can buy / or your lucky to be on and see someone saying they will run you through content then do it.

I did not buy my HM Titan kill and I would not buy it.

However you blasted people that get carry through content when they use gil as the mean to help them through that content but praise people that do it for free. Pick a side and stay on it learn to stick to your guns.

[Raze_Krauser]

your silly if you are blind to the fact that Free HM Titan runs and Buying/Selling HM Titan runs are the same.

I don't think they are the same entirely.

Like most things it comes to motive and context, and most importantly how those two define the word "free".

Does "Free" mean the alternative to paying for it? Does "free" mean looking for a no fuss/no muss invite to the raid? Does "Free" mean recruiting opporutines? Does "Free" mean not relying on scumbag services, and seeing others win on their own accord; making win-selling a profit-less venture? Does "Free" mean looking to make friends, or a core group of players with little or no experience building them up to be top-teir players down the road?

[Raze_Krauser]

If "Free" means the same quality of service as if you bought it (which means dying in the corner, and let others work), that it's charity work from the top-tier FC's, I personally wouldn't agree with it since you do fall into the same trap of as if you bought your way in. You don't learn anything about the mechanics of the fight, the mechanics of your class, or the mechanics of how MMORPGs in general are suppose to work (by it's intended design). But it would be the lesser evil, since you are not PAYING TO WIN.And that is whole other can of worms that effect other MMOs as well. The idea that someone is telling you that you can't progress any further unless you pay a lot of gil for the access. And if they can't come up with that gil they turn to RMT for it. That this becomes the norm for MMO playing; and the circle goes round and round.

I'd turn my back on "Charity-runs", if it proves "Win-selling" to be unprofitable, and gives the community a fair shake at playing their game.

[Sayura_]

Thankful for that guilds on Goblin that are doing Free Titan runs so people aren't blowing 500k on a goon squad titan kill and putting some of that money into the market.

[Dyss]

Bottle Water is $1.50 when water from the tap is free, but people buy the bottle water. Why? It is that convenience is what people wish for, convenience is what people selling HM Titan are doing. Does a person wish to sit in a zone looking for people to form their own HM Titan group and doing it, waiting for someone run it for them for free if they got the gear, or someone willing to sell it to them for what "they person buying feels is a fair price".

Gamers have to decide what is the price HM Titan and similar content is worth to them and do what makes them happy.

So what if the person getting a free ride (whether buying or carried) dies in HM Titan. Which simple mistakes in HM Titan is not as forgiving in the other HM, even though Garuda is more technical but very forgiving on mistakes. If you was helping someone with HM TItan and they died would you just make the raid wipe and restart because they made a mistake?

[Sayura_]

Bottle Water is $1.50 when water from the tap is free, but people buy the bottle water. Why? It is that convenience is what people wish for, convenience is what people selling HM Titan are doing.

$1.50 bottled water vs tap water compared to.... 500k paid titan kill or a free kill...

I'm not seeing the comparison. You only make about 350k ish doing the storyline so the new low levels who can spare 500k for a titan kill then have no income for anything on the market thus sucking Goblin's economy dry.