I officially understand why everyone thinks WAR is so bad.

[Jonjey]

So I leveled my WAR in fates, got to 50 and immediately put on all my relic monk's STR DL accessories, with a mix of hoplite and peltast gear til I got better stuff, and never had a problem tanking any level 50 dungeon, only things I couldn't do, well actually never tried, were tanking titan and coil. I recently decided to see what all the hype was about and got full dl VIT accessories and swapped my 30 STR alotment to 30 VIT.
I now see why no one likes WAR.
I get hit like a black mage, I don't do any damage, and I can't self heal for anything worth a crap anymore. I used to be able to get 2k-3k hp from Inner Beast, now I get 1k-1.5k depending on if I have buffs up or not. I find overpower is now useless as it garnishes very little hate when it only hits each mob for 100. I'm having to rotate skull sunder and butcher's block throughout the packs of mobs to keep hate on all of them, that and flash. Maybe I'm just not getting it, but what is the point in having 7.5k hp if you get hit so hard and can't self heal well which in the end is what warrior is all about?
My gear is currently;
Bravura
HQ Heavy Darksteel Armor
DL gloves, DL Belt
AF2 Pants
Hoplite Boots
Full DL vit accessories and a hoplite ring.

[Koltik]

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Are you saying you hit for 2k - 3k without Berserk / a crit? Or are you comparing your Crit + Berserk numbers on your STR set with non-crit / non-berserk numbers on the tank set?

[Amas]

So I leveled my WAR in fates, got to 50 and immediately put on all my relic monk's STR DL accessories, with a mix of hoplite and peltast gear til I got better stuff, and never had a problem tanking any level 50 dungeon, only things I couldn't do, well actually never tried, were tanking titan and coil. I recently decided to see what all the hype was about and got full dl VIT accessories and swapped my 30 STR alotment to 30 VIT.
I now see why no one likes WAR.

Bolded why you didn't/don't understand why people think WAR is so bad.

Going to town on content you overgear and adding additional DPS gear that doesn't really put a meaningful penalty on your survival is not reflective in the slightest of class balance.

[Jonjey]

Bolded why you didn't/don't understand why people think WAR is so bad.

Going to town on content you overgear and adding additional DPS gear that doesn't really put a meaningful penalty on your survival is not reflective in the slightest of class balance.

Implying TWP AK Prae and CM don't make up 90% of everyone in this game's daily activity. including people who do lots of coil.

[ArkhamNative]

Bolded why you didn't/don't understand why people think WAR is so bad.

This was covered, at least for Coil, in the Producer's Letter LIVE IX. Several fights were designed so when the boss gets enough buffs, it could kill any tank. But players developed strategies that let PLD survive it. So for 2.1 they'll fix this. (It sounded like they'll let WAR survive the same situation, rather than make PLD die as intended.) (refs: here. Also here (search for "buffs"))

[RhazeCain]

Amas already made the obvious point about going to town on content which you overgear. By all means, go STR there.

However, when you tank something actually challenging, 6k HP is NOT enough (what did you have before going full VIT?). You'll die before you get to even use self heals.. Or let's say you do get inner beast off once or twice.. then you die before they refresh. 7500 isn't really enough either, at least not to match PLD -- That's why people say PLD is the better tank.

As for Overpower, try putting +1 on relic. Every bit helps. Though not a huge difference in this case. I've not had trouble holding agro during AE fights. Internal Release + Berserk helps... And Maim if situation allows. And there's Mega Potion of Strength to go really all out.


Edit: Full VIT personally, if that wasn't obvious. Have not yet done crafted jewelry, but that's one place where can trade 5 VIT for 10 STR each piece. That's something I'd like to do eventually, but not put in the effort yet. At 1-to-1 you always take VIT.

[Jonjey]

vit

Obviously you need full VIT to do Titan or Coil.
Hense why I got full VIT.
I'm just saying that running full vit on Dungeons is really really really bad, and that's where -most- players spend -most- of their time, so I could see why people would say WAR sucks if they only ever encountered full vit wars in that kind of content.

[Jonjey]

I heard the parry bonus from STR comes at a certain cap, can anyone tell me what the exact number is? Currently I have 445 VIT, 332 STR and thinking it might be worth trying to get STR to that number if only to see how it performs over full vit.

[RhazeCain]

I haven't really heard people say that WAR sucks on low content. Except in cases where it's a bad player. I suppose bad WAR vs. bad PLD, the bad WAR might be worse.

On the other hand, some comments going into AK like "Oh this is nice, now I can not have to worry about agro". Some even attribute it to being WAR.

[Marxam]

full dl vit accessories? I think you got it wrong imo, you need dmg and dmg = threat gain. As long as you are roughly 6200 hp+ you've got enough and its time to start stacking str. I even solo tanked hydra with one healer and I get hit for 3-4000 at a time. Every time I see a war use IB they should always have maim + storm eye debuff at the very least, more often than not this isn't the case since people tend to panic and spam it. Add berserk and inner release for more flavour. As a war since day 1, yes I agree the war falls short of the pld in the end game. However I've yet to encounter a problem with a war other than titan hm and I'm at turn 2.