SCH DPS > SMN DPS?

[AylaYukihana]

EDIT: actually, I'm stupid, this is the first time I've read cleric stance and it says "swaps int and mind attribute ratings" so melding vanya healing gears with int is pretty darn useless.

Yup, A SCH would focus on MND to boost healing, so cleric stance just changes it to INT. SCH gets bonus MND from traits as well. Essentially its the same INT.

Its not 3 x 300 Festers vs 3 x 150 Energy Drains, its 3 x (150 x 1.1 due to Cleric Stance = 165) = 495, difference in a minute is 405 pot via Fester for the SMN. Aero is 200 pot, minus the GCD which could be spent on Ruin, is an advantage of 120 pot. Lets give it ~400 pot per minute. It almost cancels out the advantage Fester has. Now, bc of Energy Drain spam, SCH has MP to spend on Thunder. Thats 240 pot for a GCD use, minus Ruin its a 160 pot advantage.

SCH's personal dps is ~10% higher if accuracy is not an issue. Thunder spam, Sel's buffs.. versus SMN's ~66 dps from the pet.

Edit: In a PT situation, can see clearly SCH with Sel buffing the PT cast speed and skill speed, actually might pull ahead of a SMN. Also, I forgot to add Cleric Stance 10% boost to Aero and Thunder, its actually 220 and 264 potency, meaning a SCH with energy drain and Aero is dishing out more potency per minute than SMN with Fester.. add extra Thunder spam.. its a big difference to personal dps.

[Kevee]

Yup, A SCH would focus on MND to boost healing, so cleric stance just changes it to INT. SCH gets bonus MND from traits as well. Essentially its the same INT.

It almost cancels out the advantage Fester has. Now, bc of Energy Drain spam, SCH has MP to spend on Thunder. Thats 240 pot for a GCD use, minus Ruin its a 160 pot advantage.

SCH's personal dps is ~10% higher if accuracy is not an issue. Thunder spam, Sel's buffs.. versus SMN's ~66 dps from the pet.

Edit: In a PT situation, can see clearly SCH with Sel buffing the PT cast speed and skill speed, actually might pull ahead of a SMN. Also, I forgot to add Cleric Stance 10% boost to Aero and Thunder, its actually 220 and 264 potency, meaning a SCH with energy drain and Aero is dishing out more potency per minute than SMN with Fester.. add extra Thunder spam.. its a big difference to personal dps.

MND passive doesn't convert with Cleric Stance.
SCH has a stat deficiency unless they use full iLVL 70 items(healing items come with Piety instead of a second offensive substat).
SMN uses Thunder, too.
Cleric Stance doesn't effect Shadow Flare.
et cetera, et cetera.

At most, Cleric Stance/Aero makes up for Fester/15 less INT, but not for Spur/Pet/Contagion/Raging Strikes/Enkindle. All of these make up for a substantial amount of our DPS.

Those buffs are fairly useless, except to BLM/WHM/PLD/(healing)SCH. Even they(BLM) are limited by the global timer when regenerating MP, however.

Now, I would agree that Sch would do ~5-7% more damage, base, but that in no way comes close to compensating for Pet/Spur/Enkindle/Contagion/Raging Strikes/necessitating HQ ilvl 70 gear.

Always been curious about dots and raging strike. Haven't been able to find anything to back up the idea it's worthwhile to use or if it just works on the first tic of a dot and that's it.

If you use/cast a DoT, and the debuff lands on the target, while Raging Strikes is present on you, the full duration(and extension with Contagion) will have boosted damage. So SMN goes way beyond the RS timer with boosted DoTs. At a minimum, Bio II has 45 seconds, Bio has 33 seconds, Miasma has 39 seconds, Thunder has 33 seconds, and Miasma II has 30 seconds worth of RS time.

[GameGeeks]

If you use/cast a DoT, and the debuff lands on the target, while Raging Strikes is present on you, the full duration(and extension with Contagion) will have boosted damage. So SMN goes way beyond the RS timer with boosted DoTs. At a minimum, Bio II has 45 seconds, Bio has 33 seconds, Miasma has 39 seconds, Thunder has 33 seconds, and Miasma II has 30 seconds worth of RS time.

I can understand that being a good thing, but I'm more looking for the data to prove it. Worse case I just get a target dummy and try it. Not like it's hard to get to level four in Archer, especially with armory xp bonus.

And for your last post, Arcanists do have access to Contagion. Just goes by Shinning Emerald. Same effect as Contagion. Though the rest mostly stands in terms of gear.

[Kevee]

I can understand that being a good thing, but I'm more looking for the data to prove it. Worse case I just get a target dummy and try it. Not like it's hard to get to level four in Archer, especially with armory xp bonus.

And for your last post, Arcanists do have access to Contagion. Just goes by Shinning Emerald. Same effect as Contagion. Though the rest mostly stands in terms of gear.

You don't need any data.

That's how DoTs work.

They take a snap-shot of whatever buffs/debuffs you have when you apply them.

Same goes for Cleric Stance, BRD and their DoTs/Buffs, everyone.

And for your last post, Arcanists do have access to Contagion. Just goes by Shinning Emerald. Same effect as Contagion. Though the rest mostly stands in terms of gear.

Yeah, I derped. No reason to edit it now that's it been quoted.

[GameGeeks]

You don't need any data.

That's how DoTs work.

They take a snap-shot of whatever buffs/debuffs you have when you apply them.

Same goes for Cleric Stance, BRD and their DoTs/Buffs, everyone.

It does if it's just the first tick. I get how dots work. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it does actually last the first dot or just the initial tic. Or if the buff end early even if the dot is still going. Lost of ways they could have programed it to work with dots.