Welp, 2.1 is going ot be a happy time for warriors!

[Yagrush]

I originally wanted to be a warrior, until my brother said, trust me bro you're not going to get any groups as a war, so I switched. Can't wait until they are on par with each other, considering I Leveled both classes. Luckily DL works for both . So all my time gearing my pld isn't for naught. Go war!

You shouldn't be having any problems (Barring HM Titan) until Coil, and even then you can squeeze in a spot as a OT in some turns, but yes, extremely happy this is being adressed. Hopefully they will fix the counter-intuitiveness of using our best heal to lose our healing bonus.

[Skull_Angel]

You shouldn't be having any problems (Barring HM Titan) until Coil, and even then you can squeeze in a spot as a OT in some turns, but yes, extremely happy this is being adressed. Hopefully they will fix the counter-intuitiveness of using our best heal to lose our healing bonus.

The current issue with the community (pre-Titan) against WAR tanks is that the higher-end players have already stated "lolWAR" so the largely-uninformed majority see this as "WAR must be a bad tank for everything."; this is followed by the fact that many upcoming tanks seem to have issues with learning the ins-and-outs of their job and PLD is just more forgiving with the strength of it's cool-downs and sustainability of resources.

[Yagrush]

The current issue with the community (pre-Titan) against WAR tanks is that the higher-end players have already stated "lolWAR" so the largely-uninformed majority see this as "WAR must be a bad tank for everything."; this is followed by the fact that many upcoming tanks seem to have issues with learning the ins-and-outs of their job and PLD is just more forgiving with the strength of it's cool-downs and sustainability of resources.

That's a very accurate assessment. Unfortunately, people throw out very sensationalized information (i.e. "War sucks") and out of context, which leads into more misinformation.

Hell, a few days ago during a HM Ifrit run, I was told by a PLD that WARs couldn't tank Ifrit and that "They would be eaten alive". It's getting ridiculous.

[Shinkyo]

Hell, a few days ago during a HM Ifrit run, I was told by a PLD that WARs couldn't tank Ifrit and that "They would be eaten alive". It's getting ridiculous.

Well, we don't get "eaten alive" but we can not tank Ifrit HM the way it should be, i.e interrupting all eruptions... That fight was actually the first time I was pissed at the WAR class. I cleared Ifrit HM with another WAR and it was actually super fun to sync out stuns for eruptions but I was annoyed at the fact that PLD could just do it all...

[wonka11]

Warriors are fine as a class. Theres only two instances in the game where they cant 'tank' past certain game mechanics that were designed to kill the tank if it did reach that point. The ability for the paladin to tank beyond these mechanics was an oversight and unintended which falls more under being bugged/broken in regards to the Paladin class.

Warriors are a great class, they're balanced as it and they've only got a bad stigma from new players who hit coil, don't know what they're talking about, or come to the forums and spew retarded theorycraft which doesnt hold up to practicality.

[wonka11]

News at 11, 90% of the players playing this game or posting on the forums are bad, uninformed, biased, or uninterested in the truth. These are the very same players claiming warriors are bad, yet not knowing what they're talking about. Gear does not = skill. most of the players now playing are from WoW and are used to a watered down, direct, and obvious approach to pve that doesnt require critical thought, analytical skills, or any real tactics. In short, take everything you read here with a grain of salt. People talk out of their asses constantly.

Did titan fine, tanking coil fine, overall I'm doing very well. Kids just don't know how to play.

[Kitru]

News at 11, 90% of the players playing this game or posting on the forums are bad, uninformed, biased, or uninterested in the truth.

Because it's not like math has anything to do with this. Please tell us how all of the math and analysis we've done to demonstrate *explicitly* that WAR is underpowered compared to PLD shows a lack of "critical thought, analytical skills, or real tactics" since, you know, that's exactly what we've brought to the whole PLD v. WAR debate. We're not just saying "WAR is weaker because it feels weaker!". We've gone out and proved it with every type of math that can be brought to bear upon it.

Please show us what exactly makes our theorycraft "retarded". I'm not even sure you understand it because, if you did, you'd realize that no one that's actually done it has said anything that hasn't been explicitly held upon in practice. WAR requires a *lot* more external healing than PLD, even when played absolutely perfectly. Inner Beast doesn't do *nearly* enough to offset the +healing deficiency and drastically weaker CD suite. The only reason you haven't noticed it, in all likelihood, is because your healers have no problem picking up the slack.

When you're doing just as well as a PLD, it's not because you're an amazing WAR; it's because you've got amazing healers. If you honestly think otherwise, *you're* the one talking out of your ass.

[PessimiStick]

The ability for the paladin to tank beyond these mechanics was an oversight and unintended which falls more under being bugged/broken in regards to the Paladin class.

All this says is that the devs are completely inept. You mean Paladins press their cooldowns when they're going to take a lot of damage?!?!?! Why didn't we think of that?