Elitism and How It Is Ruining The Gaming Community [Discussion, Feedback, and Rants]

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Elitism isn't ruining this game, it's in every game does that mean every game is ruined? -- If you've died at DW 3 times theirs no point in continuing as it's clear people aren't listening or they just can't put out enough damage.
It's the same with Garuda, if everyone says they know what to do and they wipe before she goes into phase2 theirs no point continuing as someone is lying and I'd rather not deal with liars.

[Allyrion]

Elitism isn't ruining this game, it's in every game does that mean every game is ruined? -- If you've died at DW 3 times theirs no point in continuing as it's clear people aren't listening or they just can't put out enough damage.
It's the same with Garuda, if everyone says they know what to do and they wipe before she goes into phase2 theirs no point continuing as someone is lying and I'd rather not deal with liars.

People knowing what to do and being able to do it in practice are two different things. So they do not have to be lying saying they know what to do.
I also disagree with the general assumption that people don't get better. I've seen it countlessly in duty finder, pugs and raiding in other mmo's. People learn and you will get things down with persistence.

Does this mean it's worth the time to wait for other people to learn? Sometimes. Sometimes it isn't.
You can do what you want with your time, and I don't blame people for quitting, but do not assume that 3 wipes means that people are too dumb to learn.

OK... so basically what you are saying:

You spend money, so you do not want to waste any second of the Time you are playing, since it is your money you spent on FFXIV... gotcha..oh wait;

You also will leave if you wipe certain times or a dungeon does require more time than you did expect and then you will leave and do not care about people which now have to spent Their TIME and Their MONEY, because some self-centered, greedy person just left their party?...

Dude seriously.. if i happen to get into a DF Party with you, i will watch every single cutscene, wipe on purpose and so on, because it is MY Time and MY Money... see what i did there?

I don't see what you did there. He said he's not afraid to leave when he comes to the conclusion that the time and effort of the run isn't enough to warrant continuing.
He has that right. You can't control what other people do or value, and it is not your business to.
Telling people they are obligated to stay in a group they don't want to is just as bad as ranting over how fail and useless another player is.
BOTH are too caught up with what other people are doing.

Leaving is only an issue in Trials anyway where you can't find a replacement.

I'm usually a very patience player. I don't expect others to be. People can get better, no one is obligated to wait for them to. Middle of the road.

[Jeronlmo]

People knowing what to do and being able to do it in practice are two different things. So they do not have to be lying saying they know what to do.
I also disagree with the general assumption that people don't get better. I've seen it countlessly in duty finder, pugs and raiding in other mmo's. People learn and you will get things down with persistence.

Does this mean it's worth the time to wait for other people to learn? Sometimes. Sometimes it isn't.
You can do what you want with your time, and I don't blame people for quitting, but do not assume that 3 wipes means that people are too dumb to learn.



I don't see what you did there. He said he's not afraid to leave when he comes to the conclusion that the time and effort of the run isn't enough to warrant continuing.
He has that right. You can't control what other people do or value, and it is not your business to.
Telling people they are obligated to stay in a group they don't want to is just as bad as ranting over how fail and useless another player is.
BOTH are too caught up with what other people are doing.

Leaving is only an issue in Trails anyway where you can't find a replacement.

I'm usually a very patience player. I don't expect others to be. People can get better, no one is obigated to wait for them to. Middle of the road.

This entire issue I suppose has little to do with me considering I virtually never use DF, but the few times I have its been sad what I've seen.

You make it sound like its my job to train people every single day I ever log in or something, in every one of the 250+ dungeons I've run now, which would tack on an extra 30min+ to every single run. Why is it my job as a "hardcore/endgame" player to train anyone, ever, when they did not train me, I look things up as do the rest of the people in my FC and we exchange info and learn while others just enter DF going "I DUN KNO WUT TO DOOO" and go herpderping into walls. I'm not running dungeons to train people, I'm running them for points, people lack of w/e is not my problem.

This whole thing would be a different situation if DF found people from your server only, or at a minimum looked at your own server first for DF matches before searching through other servers, then my training would not go to waste on people I will never see again, but right now, the training would never end, and you will never... ever... get people who already know how to win things to train randoms in DF, you don't get that in any game that's cross-server and you never will, your not on my server and not my responsibility/problem/issue/anything, I do not have to train anyone just as they do not have to learn... which is fine, but don't complain when people leave.

[Allyrion]

You make it sound like its my job to train people every single day

I don't think you actually read any of my post?
Let me highlight:

You can do what you want with your time, and I don't blame people for quitting

Telling people they are obligated to stay in a group they don't want to is just as bad as ranting over how fail and useless another player is.

Leaving is only an issue in Trials anyway where you can't find a replacement.

I'm usually a very patience player. I don't expect others to be. People can get better, no one is obligated to wait for them to.

no one is obligated to wait for them to

So please read before you post.