For people who want to Nerf FATES

[HarleenQuinzel]

FATES are necessary...I need to get Lancer to 34 for my final cross class ability and it sucks....it goes slow even with FATE grinding. If we didn't have the FATES the way they are now it would be literally unbearable. There are no changes that need to be made. I have not heard exactly what people want NERFED...what do these people want done???

To me the fact that you find getting to level 34 WITH fate grinding slow is further proof that they need to be nerfed. That should be no more than 4 days worth of time alot less if you actually put a good amount of effort forth.

[Grizzlebeard]

To me the fact that you find getting to level 34 WITH fate grinding slow is further proof that they need to be nerfed. That should be no more than 4 days worth of time alot less if you actually put a good amount of effort forth.

Having taken only one job past 27 I'm curious as to what personal experience you're basing your 4 day statement on.

[HarleenQuinzel]

Having taken only one job past 27 I'm curious as to what personal experience you're basing your 4 day statement on.

Helping free company members level? I was unaware that me not wanting to level another class requires me to not to be able to watch the little numbers in my free company menu go up while I am assisting people. It took literally 3 days for a friend of mine to get from 1-50 on paladin through fates.

Edit: Granted that was with him pretty much not sleeping through that 3 days. Point still stands 3 days for 1-50 is stupid and if he can do that it shouldn't take more than 4 if you put a bit of effort forth to get to 34.

[Grizzlebeard]

Helping free company members level? I was unaware that me not wanting to level another class requires me to not to be able to watch the little numbers in my free company menu go up while I am assisting people. It took literally 3 days for a friend of mine to get from 1-50 on paladin through fates.

Edit: Granted that was with him pretty much not sleeping through that 3 days. Point still stands 3 days for 1-50 is stupid and if he can do that it shouldn't take more than 4 if you put a bit of effort forth to get to 34.

Ah, so your statement was based on the premise that you have a healer to assist you while levelling (as you did for your FC members) which tends to make a noticeable difference when grinding FATEs and/or you poopsock.

Much clearer now thanks.

[HarleenQuinzel]

Ah, so your statement was based on the premise that you have a healer to assist you while levelling (as you did for your FC members) which tends to make a noticeable difference when grinding FATEs and/or you poopsock.

Much clearer now thanks.

You need a healer for the zerg? Just level up your conjurer a few levels for cure and that should be enough self sustain unless you over extend past the zerg.

[Grizzlebeard]

You need a healer for the zerg? Just level up your conjurer a few levels for cure and that should be enough self sustain unless you over extend past the zerg.

I think you're misunderstanding this discussion. You made a snarky comment to the guy playing a Drg about levelling times while leaving out the pertinent fact your FC friends had a pocket healer on call.

It's clearly ludicrous to suggest levelling Cnj and tossing out a few weak heals with a tiny MP pool, while sacrificing time damaging the target, is going to be anywhere near as optimal as being able to forego any considerations about defense while being healed externally.

[HarleenQuinzel]

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I don't know if I fully understand, is this conversation about you saying fate grinding is easy because of me being a healer or is it about me making a comment about someone thinking fate grinding takes too long? You stated one thing and turned around and continued the conversation about me being a healer.

A) Fate grinding is so easy you shouldn't need a healer much less a pocket healer.
B) Fate grinding is so easy and fast you shouldn't take more than 4 days to hit level 34 through fate grinding. Which is all I said on my comment to the dragoon.

Take your pick.

[Mikedizzy]

To me the fact that you find getting to level 34 WITH fate grinding slow is further proof that they need to be nerfed. That should be no more than 4 days worth of time alot less if you actually put a good amount of effort forth.

I don't mean slow in general terms. I mean it is slow as in if we level every class to 50 (some people want to do this) it would literally take you years and years just to do that without FATES. I do understand it goes pretty fast with dedicated time put into running FATES but I just think it is necessary. Also think about if you put a lot of time in to level a class and then find you do not like it very much or it does not play as you hoped or they NERF your Job...you do not want to have to go through all that work again just to play something else.

[ClockworkSpectre]

I don't mean slow in general terms. I mean it is slow as in if we level every class to 50 (some people want to do this) it would literally take you years and years just to do that without FATES....

That's nonsense, plenty of people leveled all combat classes to 50 in 1.0 before fates even existed. It required working with linkshell members or friends, in other words teamwork, something this game lacks big time.

Leveling in this game is way to fast across the board. People are spoiled and act all entitled to fast leveling instead of actually putting effort into the game and I honestly think it will threaten the long term viability of this game.

[Grizzlebeard]

That's nonsense, plenty of people leveled all combat classes to 50 in 1.0 before fates even existed. It required working with linkshell members or friends, in other words teamwork, something this game lacks big time.

People in my LS who have all jobs capped at 50 seem to have a different take on things than you. Weren't there a bunch of broken mechanics in place that could be abused to assist with levelling?