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  1. #41
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    Gamemako's Avatar
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    Elysia Mazda
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    Coeurl
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    Armorer Lv 50
    Messed with Convalesce. Just about lost it before I realized that I was double-dipping. I started by multiplying out by effective healing bonus. Overthought the hell out of it. Undergrad mistake right there, lol. Now, this may seem a bit odd, but adding Convalesce doesn't really hurt WAR. PLD already reduces more damage than WAR. You can't heal damage you aren't taking. While PLD's bonus is 30% real, WAR's bonus is 20% real of a larger number. One better, this is added-on to both sides. WAR is further behind in an absolute sense, but actually closer in a relative sense. Anyway, I should have this all done in the next day or so. Still haven't decided about RoH and Flash...
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  2. #42
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    Skull_Angel's Avatar
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    Leon Solitario
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamemako View Post
    WAR is further behind in an absolute sense, but actually closer in a relative sense.
    I think the issue that really skews the outcome of how both tanks' performance is perceived in most instances (when they are dealing with content within their appropriate ilvl range), is the additional capacity for over-healing that WAR's active mitigation brings to the table; in almost every case it is impossible to account for and the result is lost resources, normally preceded and/or followed by dips in mitigation while you wait for the opportune moment to correctly use CDs. In my opinion, cutting down some of WAR's CD's duration by half and/or decreasing their reuse time appropriately would help to alleviate the issue by allowing them to take full advantage (buffed IB) of more windows of opportunity (any time HP dips to ~80%).
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  3. #43
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    GinTama's Avatar
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    Strawberry Dragon
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    Phoenix
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    Arcanist Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamemako View Post
    I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about pretty much everything you said.
    I'm sorry that you don't see it.
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  4. #44
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    ChriskoOnAnotherLevel's Avatar
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    Chris Kyo
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Sorry, but no
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  5. #45
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    gigi_frana's Avatar
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    Bauchelain Md
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Gingen View Post
    PLD vs WAR is non existent. There is no "Better". There is no "Worse".
    As a healer, and based on my 100% DF experience, Paladins are much more easy to heal than War.
    Quick analysis => PLD > WAR.

    Did I had bad luck and encountered mostly un-skilled Wars? Maybe. I don`t know.
    Do I care? No.
    Given the choice, if I want a smooth run where I can DPS 90% of time (dungeons, not raids) would I chose War over Pld ? No.
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  6. #46
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    Paikis's Avatar
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    Paikis Pryslack
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    Coeurl
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by gigi_frana View Post
    As a healer, and based on my 100% DF experience, Paladins are much more easy to heal than War.
    Quick analysis => PLD > WAR.

    Did I had bad luck and encountered mostly un-skilled Wars? Maybe. I don`t know.
    Do I care? No.
    Given the choice, if I want a smooth run where I can DPS 90% of time (dungeons, not raids) would I chose War over Pld ? No.
    All the good Warriors are in FCs and don't run pub groups.
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  7. #47
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    EddieFong's Avatar
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    Velyster Valentine
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Ure so wrong pally is a better tank so far... Because of their tanking spell.. I am a WARRIOR and I tank coil of bahamut till turn 5. I still said warrior poor than pally... It feel so much pain and tanking 2 dreadnaught is impossible . Feel free to see to watch my video every turn in coil at kaos-guild.enjin.com. Don't just talk.. Down the boss urself then talk to me as a main tank warrior. Do it .. talk less
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  8. #48
    Player Jeckyl_Tesla's Avatar
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    Cap'n Jack
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    Omega
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    Marauder Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Gingen View Post
    I'd like to clarify that this is not a rant. Also, glad to see some people have the sense to say "Paladin is better" or "You're wrong..." without any explanation to back it :P Full of intellect and evidence.
    Pretty sure your original post was filled with opinion and absolutely no evidence.
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  9. #49
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    ERob3000's Avatar
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    Valkyrie Wolf
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    Lamia
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    Lancer Lv 50

    Great Points

    The only reason people think that PLD is better, because they don't know how WAR works or how to play with one. Healing for a WAR is a lot different than healing for a PLD, yet I use inner beast and healers waist large heals on me. I don't think either tank is better than the other, but if people complain that the WAR can't do what a PLD does, then the WAR will always come up short. But I know for a fact that they're are plenty of things a WAR can do that a PLD can't.
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    Last edited by ERob3000; 10-18-2013 at 09:42 PM.

  10. #50
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    Sargon's Avatar
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    Genhan Qato
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    Moogle
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    Samurai Lv 65
    How do I downvote this?
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