PLEASE stop telling summoners to use Ifrit!!!

[Spythe]

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Thank you, even if I'm completely wrong now we are at least having a convo instead IFRIT IS BAD HAHAHA ANY SMN THAT USES IFRIT IS BAD I TESTED IT ON A TEST DUMMY, IFRIT IS BAD.

Yeah people overrate the fuck out of Contagion but I like it due to the fact it gives me a bit more freedom on fights that require me to move a bit more. I think it may be possible to get off longer dots if for Raging Strikes if you double cast them. Apply 3 dots fester, thunder, apply 3 dots fester, instant cast Shadow Flare. You miss out on a few Ruins during that time but that is only 600-800 dmg.

I think having a higher chance to proc Enhanced Pet Abilities is better than Contagion in terms of raw DPS numbers but once again that would have to be tested. All the people claiming Ifrit is hard to keep up since he is melee..... I don't get it, I find Garuda a bit more annoying but I rarely have a pet die in combat unless there is a dot mechanic even then a few Sustains normally keeps them up.

Can I get a link to that youtube video you watched? I just read it from comments so far.

[xxalucard]

Thank you, even if I'm completely wrong now we are at least having a convo instead IFRIT IS BAD HAHAHA ANY SMN THAT USES IFRIT IS BAD I TESTED IT ON A TEST DUMMY, IFRIT IS BAD.

Hey I welcome a conversation, though it seems like you're saying the same thing as me (ifrit is bad).

I agree contagion is good for the reasons you mentioned as well, though it's tough to double cast them with thunder & get off 2 festers while under RS. But you may be right that choosing to double cast with raging strikes is a better choice if you're able to at least double cast 3 of them.

Also just a side note: Raging strikes has no effect on shadow flare (this is not to you, just in general). It also has no effect on pet attacks.


@glim

When factoring DPS you also need to keep in mind the time it takes for Ifrit to walk to each target, his higher risk of getting damaged, and the fact that he does burning strke every 4 seconds, not 3. It's not fair to just factor in contagion losing 1 wind blade-- that seems pretty biased to only include that.

[Spythe]

Hey I welcome a conversation, though it seems like you're saying the same thing as me (ifrit is bad).

Hmmm I never said Ifrit is bad I just think the pets are party dependent. And gonna have to check the Shadow Flare Raging Strikes thing, if that is true it wouldn't be too hard to double cast dots and get 2 fester off. But then again this is perfect situation where you don't have to move at all which can be rare in a few fights.

I love the SMN class but my only real issue is horrible target swap DPS for low HP targets like rock jails on Titan, with a good group I just ignore them.

Sidebar: My whole point in all this back and forth is don't pretend you know everything and anyone that got different results or doing something different than you is wrong. Hear that person out and test it then make your own judgement. The game is not even 2 months old so stuff is bound to change especially when people get more gear and experience and DPS meters get better(I think are wrong 90% of the time but they are a decent judge). I find it hard to believe the dots are accurate when dot dmg doesn't show up in your combat log.

[glim]

Can I get a link to that youtube video you watched? I just read it from comments so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diROOR4VZKg

somewhere in the video he mentions all 3 resistances affects ifrit.