Even SE staff hates Warriors...

[Hanabira]

Orly? So a level 2 Limit Break is somehow going to magically go through a move that makes you literally Invincible for 10 seconds? Please, tell me more.

To put it to further perspective a level 2 limit against bosses at level 50 does about 12k damage. Mobs don't have any natural mitigation so you can assume that WAR will take the same or slightly less damage depending on if defense is taken into account. A PLD can mitigate 20% of that just from being in Shield Oath. 20% more with Rampart, 40% more with Sentinel....

This is a joke right? you do realize that no one would be stupid enough to use a LB on a pld with these abilities active right? Also, we dont even know if player skills even effect limit breaks at all. But yeah lets play it your way, sure if the PLD says "hold on while i use all my reduction skills.....okay GO" THEN maybe he has a chance, but we know that'll never happen

[TheRac25]

lol warrior

[Azurus]

This is a joke right? you do realize that no one would be stupid enough to use a LB on a pld with these abilities active right? Also, we dont even know if player skills even effect limit breaks at all. But yeah lets play it your way, sure if the PLD says "hold on while i use all my reduction skills.....okay GO" THEN maybe he has a chance, but we know that'll never happen

Lol lb has a charge up time. Not too hard to pop your buffs as soon as you see the animation start. In no way do you have to run around with your buffs already up

[Meleoffs]

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No they wouldn't. Invincibility straight up trumps damage. No ifs ands or buts.

PLD if played properly have the potential to outperform warriors in almost every capacity including aoe threat. Just because you've seen baddies doesn't mean plds are as a rule bad.

[Meleoffs]

Yeah, you killed with this. You need to look up the word Mitigation. Preventing damage, is not mitigating the damage. Also, you're assuming that every DD is dumb enough to not ignore an invincibility skill.

Also, PLDs dont' easily get to 5k HP, WARs easily get to 5k and beyond. Not saying PLD doesn't get to 5k, cause they do, but it's not an easy feat for them to get it right now, especially when you compare it WAR.

Its hard to get 5k hp as a pld? I have 5.6k solo, 5.8k in a party, and 6k with food. I'm in darklight, relic +1 shield no + on sword.

[Tiggy]

Actually all they said "months ago" was that there would be specific PvP moves and this was while in development. Now on the verge of release the only info they have given relating to PVP only skills is CC removal/immunity to prevent balance issues with people spamming Sleep/Tri-Disaster.

You seem to be confused. Somehow you believe "new" info completely invalidates "old" info. There is no reason to believe they aren't additive. Glass is half full not half empty. Also we are at least a full month out from release. Hardly "on the verge" considering we just now saw a video for the first time.

[Twiddle]

Paladin fine as is.
Warrior fine as is.
Problem: people play Warrior like a Paladin, and as such superimpose restrictions on the WAR which should not be there. Even Yoshida said the same thing. That both WAR and PLD respectively are working as intended, and they can not nerf or boost a job based on people's bad playing method. I was looking at a parser, and a war in full ilvl 60 armor and garuda weapon was doing x1.5 the dmg of a relic/dl dps in the party. Because he optimized his rotation. It's hard to believe but you can in fact do coil and titan, in minimum requirement armor and still face roll. AS long as you optimize your job.

[Koroem]

So the thread creator watched a scripted/produced video made by SE to showcase the pvp update, and somehow decided Warriors sucked based on this?

Dumbest thing I think I've ever read on this forum. Besides the fact, what coordinated pvp team has everyone fighting one on one in a 4v4 situation? Real group pvp players and guilds are laughing at you.

[Volas]

Having played a PLD to 50, getting my Relic weapon and shield, getting a few pieces of Darklight, some Hoplight from AK..

Then switching over to my level 19 warrior and tanking an instance..

The difference is.. at its core, night and friggen day.

The PLD is a complete and utter joke tank that I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy. It's NOTHING but stress and headaches.

"Oh look we have a WAR and a PLD for this boss... PLD is on shield bash... WAR gets to have fun.!" I LOVE standing there for 10 minutes hitting 1 button. It's awesome, YOU SHOULD TRY IT.

"Oh look we have a PLD for this AK run.. get ready for mobs running everywhere because the PLD cant hold aggro for shit." Flash more my hairy ass. Cure spells peel mobs, auto attacks peel mobs, farts in the wind peel mobs. The REASON PLD seems so great on healers is because half the time the mobs arent even HITTING the PLD.. they are running around raping the group while my Relic'd PLD cant even take the aggro back. Provoke is a completely and utterly worthless Power. Awareness is even worse. (Oh yay I can prevent criticals for 15 seconds... tell me when exactly a PLD is supposed to KNOW when to use this power exactly? This isnt GW2, mobs and bosses dont have visual/audio cues of Critical Hit attacks to counter. The crap isnt even on my hotbar and it never will be, anyone who takes the time to actually PRESS it in combat is an idiot PLD.)

WAR in a 4 man.. Overpower, Overpower.. combo away. NOTHING will take that aggro from you. No flashing required, no provoking, no running around going "omfg give me the damn aggro back!" Threat getting a little low? Overpower again.. do good damage to the mobs, hold aggro with zero effort. It's a JOKE. I dont care HOW much the healer cries about having to heal.. if your precious paladin could hold aggro worth a damn, he'd be getting smashed too.

[Riffy]

The only problem with the warrior job are the ID-10-Ts who can't figure it out and are so absorbed in their own self-righteousness they feel it must be SE's issue.

Spoken like a true PLD with PVP just around the corner /smdh!