Even SE staff hates Warriors...

[Mook_Mook]

the wraith system needs a revamp, non of the abilities seem worth the 5 wraiths. i can use inner beast, yay, and i get a free cure II, but i gotta get those stacks again cause that healing loss is too much. for having limitiations and making sacrifices for using abilities none of them seem to feel really powerful. I guess if I'd say what i want for my QOL buffs for war
Thrill of battle - needs more added to it, as it is now its just a cure II on a long timer make it heal a bit, then each hit restores 10% of damage lost or something,
Vengence - over all weak, needs something else to it. make increase the amount of damge parried to 30% for 10 seconds or
wraith system needs to be tweaked to make skills use different amount of wraiths, or revamp the system or buff the abilities to make them more powerful. you give up too much to use an ability

blood for blood, add in flat amount + percentage, right now pretty weak, you get about a cure 1 1/2 over 30 seconds, negliable.
My thoughts, im a pretty scrub warrior but im a big fan, i just feel like they need a little extra.

[Marleytiva]

I'm so sick of people who have zero endgame experience on Warrior saying that the class is fine. Here's a quote for those of you I'm talking about; "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

[Taika]

I think people taking part in this discussion are talking about different instances. WAR is completely fine up to tomestone farming and it can be used in all endgame but if PLD is an option for a coil run, or even Garuda or Titan, no one would ever pick WAR instead. It's simply because PLD is the safer option, they do take a lot less damage which is a significant advantage with mobs that have high damage crits or just hit hard and often. And that's where I believe the problem is: WAR doesn't have anything against PLD, PLD takes significantly less damage.

[Sylve]

My WAR is in AF1 with some Hoplite bits, got a WHM/SCH friend who heals me through AK easily on both classes.
Why the hell are you spamming Cure IIs at the Warrior? Regen ticks for 350 when i have Infuriate, sometimes 400 if she starts hitting buffs or i hit a cooldown. The big guys hit me 1k a pop, which is partially restored by a Regen tick, then a Storms Eye/Path and then an Inner Beast if i don't see a Cure I being cast and I'm under 70%.
I realize AK isn't exactly endgame, yet the final boss barely dents my HP (6100) except with Rotten Breath which hits for 1700 ~ 2000. Which i immediately drop a Storms Eye boosted Inner Beast for +1000 ~ +1400, followed by Infuriate when its up, or just 15 seconds to get my stack back if i know the Eye Beams aren't coming.
If you're on Hyperion, I'll gladly run AK with you.

Also, since +Damage buffs don't boost Limit Break Damage, Why are you assuming -Damage buffs will work too? If you see someone in PvP blowing a Limit Break (and lets face it, if you miss THAT cast, you deserve to get hit) interrupt it, and use your own.
Looks like the LB will be a key component to getting wins. Do it right and get a solid kill, screw it up and open yourself to the other teams LB and a potential loss. Won't be the only decider, but most likely a good one.

[Nukocafe]

well looks like they plan to discuss balancing of both Warrior and Dragoon at the live letter tomorrow. Clearly this topic got enough complaints that they're finally addressing it ＼(^o^)／

[C-croft]

well looks like they plan to discuss balancing of both Warrior and Dragoon at the live letter tomorrow. Clearly this topic got enough complaints that they're finally addressing it ＼(^o^)／

Source? Because you just made me really curious. LOL


Also, I think there is a few things that people seem to forget and/or ignore when it comes to the PLD and WAR.

People are constantly saying that you can't play them the same, but why is everyone trying to heal them the same? Another thing loosely tied to that. One thing I have noticed with many, if not most, healers is that they tend to spam heal too much. I literally waste 2k+ IB's all the time in everything up to Garuda from a spam heal. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it being topped off at all times, but at times, it really isn't needed. and it wastes my IB heal. I have also never had a healer OOM on me unless I was intentionally trying to run through everything in a dung, or because DPS cannot seem to avoid Ifrit's rushes. I remember when end game required precision on everyone's part. It's too bad WAR brings that feeling back, but PLD makes it WoW style.

The other thing I find odd is that all these parses and numbers are being tossed around, and while some of it is new, some of it is outdated. I wish we could just trash ALL old data and start fresh.

[Reinheart]

Source? Because you just made me really curious. LOL.

From last nights test broadcast - It's in JP but here's the vid link http://goo.gl/G2Xpk5 7min mark they talk about how they will discuss regarding job balance and mention WAR and DRG during that part.

[nekochen]

But... the drg used a limit break on the war.. im pretty sure if he hit the pld with that, he'd be dead too

Hallow Ground.. then PLD just laughs at the DRG as the animation finally comes to an end.

[C-croft]

From last nights test broadcast - It's in JP but here's the vid link http://goo.gl/G2Xpk5 7min mark they talk about how they will discuss regarding job balance and mention WAR and DRG during that part.

Woot! Thank you Reinheart!

Hallow Ground.. then PLD just laughs at the DRG as the animation finally comes to an end.

Until the PLD realizes s/he has been lag duped and blew Hallowed ground for nothing.

[Alkimi]

Add in that Morale is going to be a PVP stat that either a) reduces damage taken from players or b) increases damage dealt by players implying that PvP damage will be nerfed somewhat.

I'll guess Morale will increase PvP damage. They can't possibly nerf PvP damage, it would end up being impossible to kill anyone without limit break. It was hard enough in the short beta they did. If for some reason you left the WHM alone they could keep the party alive with their eyes closed, that 15 secs you just spent wailing on someone could be cancelled out by a single Cure II.