Crystal Tower, weaker gear than Coil, whats the point?

[azethoth]

You all make perfect points, but it seems that the problem is it wasn't released sooner which is sad. I certainly plan to play it so see it at least once but beyond that, still seems pointless.

Regardless though, turns 1-4 can be farmed by people in DL gear. I have even heard of healers on Balmung healing turn 4 in AK gear.

I don't want to derail this topic into a level other classes thread, I have and it is really painful to fate grind.

[Zaptruder]

What's the point? Jobs outside of your main.

[Zfz]

Even though some would love to disagree, Coils is not a raid, but a dungeon and Crystal Tower is the first raid we're getting.

I think that's just semantics. BC and CT are the real end-game progression paths. Just because it's 8 players doesn't mean it's not end-game progression. Smaller "raids" have been proven popular in World of Warcraft. Call it whatever you want, it's end-game progression and it will be the end-game progression if you're looking for difficult content.

Those that say it's just a dungeon and demand CT to be progression after BC, is saying the same thing as people who say that Warriors should be damage dealers---they're ignoring the design intent and want FFXIV:ARR to fit their existing idea of what things should be like.

[Caselia]

I think that's just semantics. BC and CT are the real end-game progression paths. Just because it's 8 players doesn't mean it's not end-game progression. Smaller "raids" have been proven popular in World of Warcraft. Call it whatever you want, it's end-game progression and it will be the end-game progression if you're looking for difficult content.

Those that say it's just a dungeon and demand CT to be progression after BC, is saying the same thing as people who say that Warriors should be damage dealers---they're ignoring the design intent and want FFXIV:ARR to fit their existing idea of what things should be like.

According to Yoshida's past notes in previous interviews/letters. Raids will be 24 man and dungeons 8.
I never said anything about endgame progression. Just clarifying what it is.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...19_615983.html



Interviewer: I see. So it's not that once you clear BC, only then you can start challenging the Crystal Tower?

Yoshida: That's right. In fact CT is positioned as the end game content for alliances, while BC is positioned to be the ultimate end game content for 8-player parties. With each patch we update one of the two in alternation.

Interviewer: I see. So the two are not related, but each act as an independent content. So if I can't get hold of 24 people, then I could just play only in BC?

Yoshida: Yes, of course you can also do that.

Yes, I know, but again I never said anything about "end-game progression". I'm just clarifying what is considered a raid by Yoshida and what is considered a dungeon.

P.S. Understood.

[Zfz]

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...19_615983.html

(Interviewer)――なるほど。大迷宮バハムートを全部クリアすると、次にクリスタルタワーにチャレンジできるということではないのですね？

吉田氏： そうではないです。そもそもクリスタルタワーはアライアンス向けのエンドコンテンツで、大迷宮バハムートは8人パーティー向けの究極エンドコンテンツという位置づけです。パッチで交互にアップデートされていくことになります。

(Interviewer)――なるほど、両コンテンツは関連したものではなく、それぞれ独立した2つのエンドコンテンツということなんですね。それでは、24人は集められないから、バハムートだけ遊ぶという遊び方でもいいわけですか？

吉田氏： はい、もちろんそういう遊び方もできます。

Interviewer: I see. So it's not that once you clear BC, only then you can start challenging the Crystal Tower?

Yoshida: That's right. In fact CT is positioned as the end game content for alliances, while BC is positioned to be the ultimate end game content for 8-player parties. With each patch we update one of the two in alternation.

Interviewer: I see. So the two are not related, but each act as an independent content. So if I can't get hold of 24 people, then I could just play only in BC?

Yoshida: Yes, of course you can also do that.

EDIT: @Caselia, yes I know, that why from the start I said "those that" and "they", not "you". Those people generally think "dungeon" means leveling content and only "raids" are end-game. I wanted to throw this out for them. Also to make it known that there are two lines of progression, which means this thread is barking up the wrong tree from the start.

[Matsume]

Also, There will be further additions to both coil and crystal tower in future patches. The coil will have more turns added to it, crystal tower will get more floors added to it over time. Presumably, as the turns and floors progress the difficulty and hopefully ilvl of the gear will also increase such that it may be beneficial to clear the first 10 floors of crystal tower in order to effectively clear the first 5 turns of coil. Likewise you may need to clear the first 5 turns of coil to have good enough gear to clear crystal tower floors 10 through 20. Granted this is purely speculation, I would not be surprised to see coil and crystal tower act as stepping stones for each other as future patches come out.

[texhnolyze]

Hate to burst your bubble but, in an interview somewhere which I cannot remember, but someone might. Yoshida stated he "might" make relic weapons a requirement to enter.

so, you need iLv80 weapon to get a new iLv80 weapon?
okay.....

[Kalldore]

The item level problem is only that for those of us that are already doing coil and been gearing up sicne week 1-2. For everyone else that hasn't reached 50 yet or not gotten to coil CT will still be highly viable and I bet even most peopel in coil could use an upgrade or two from there as well for now. Then just as someone else mentioned before our alt professions could do it for gear.
I for one love more content even if it doesn't always mean the best loot.

[Yagrush]

I'm gonna say something VERY weird, stay with me here: For fun. Entertainment.

Also, CT will be getting more floors added in the future, so, regardless, it will have more reason to exist as it goes on.

[Drakan]

There is another point that OP fails to take into consideration:

Right now there is only 2 ways of obtaining 1lvl 90 gear, which is the only gear beating the ilvl 70 gear. One of those ways is farming Allagan Tombstones of Mythology. You can only get 300 a week, so it takes 2 to 3 weeks to get a piece, if you start your first week with 0, since there is no piece costing less than 375 tombstones. The other way is by doing Coil. Coil drops 2 pieces of gear per turn. Once you've done a turn, you cant redo this in the same week. So the maximum pieces of Coil gear that you can get in a week is 8, If you beat all 5 turns. Turn 5 has yet to be legitly defeated, so let's say right now it is a max of 6 pieces of equipment per week, and that's for the whole 8-man party doing it, so we can say 0.75 pieces of gear per person per week.



After a few weeks of farming Coil, all I've got is BRD head, which doesn't even fit my main job (BLM).

Knowing that CT will be on DF makes me believe that it will be something you can redo at will, meaning that once you've capped your mythology stones and done your Coil for the week, you can still get some ilvl 80 gear from CT to replace your old Darklight.