Tanking - WAR and PLD. There is no "Better".

[Gingen]

Lol why is it so hard for people to accept that both warrior and paladin are equally useful and it comes down to preference?

[Gamemako]

So you believe that being a PLD instantly makes you a tank and that fates are enough to teach you your class? Did you even read my post? lol

Insightful.

Let's go paragraph by paragraph:

1) WAR is not a viable MT for Turn4. People haven't even done Turn4 with two WAR just to show off. It's PLD MT or bust.

2) Duplicate of 1.

3) PLD and WAR have identical eHP. WAR attempts to mitigate damage through healing. This is still mitigation.

3) Mitigation is in fact a necessity for all tanks. You cannot rely on VIT to mitigate damage. At endgame, WAR's self-healing is actually so weak that its overuse is detrimental.

4) Your HP pool lasts for 3-5 seconds at endgame. VIT does not provide you any longevity over time; it actually is set as a cap on surviving the bursts which would otherwise flatten you in an instant (causing a wipe).

5) Single shots are not DPS. WAR's DPS as a tank is poor, barely exceeds PLD's as a tank. Dedicated DPS will deal half again as much as WAR.

6) PLD can easily top 180DPS in Sword Oath. Factually just wrong here. PLD as a DPS (Sword Oath) is just as powerful as WAR as a DPS (Defiance disabled). MRD will out-DPS a similarly-equipped WAR.

7) Multi-target enmity is effectively identical. WAR cannot afford to spam Overpower due to TP drain. If you drop two Overpowers, you'll get the same amount of damage as one of PLD's Circle of Scorn. Steel Cyclone is utterly useless. All told, WAR and PLD are pretty much the same against multiple targets.

8) You pretty much admitted that PLD has it easier against Titan HM, so... yeah, your point was lost here.

9) PLD vs. WAR is in fact nonexistent, because the battle is long since fought and PLD is the victor.

10) Totally irrelevant to anything. More L2P nonsense arguing from ignorance.

Lol why is it so hard for people to accept that both warrior and paladin are equally useful and it comes down to preference?

Because preference has naught to do with it. WAR is simply inferior right now.

//EDIT: Gods know, I prefer the hell out of WAR. I just also happen to understand math.

[HeiZei]

By your logic I too am a tank as I've tanked coil and titan HM as a warrior for the past month. Main tank. also that comment you quoted was not directed at you.

The only serious comment that I'll give towards you as to why Paladins are the better tanks is this: From personal experiences doing HM Primals on my BLM, Warrior tanks cannot hold enough enmity required for the amount of heals they need. A Paladin never loses aggro to a WHM, unless he is unskilled or lazy. A Warrior almost always loses aggro to a WHM, not because he is unskilled or lazy, but because a WHM is forced to heal a Warrior much more. Throw in the fact that Paladins have higher parry, shield block, and more defensive cooldowns, there is no question as to who is the better "tank".

[Casper]

I'd like to clarify that this is not a rant. Also, glad to see some people have the sense to say "Paladin is better" or "You're wrong..." without any explanation to back it :P Full of intellect and evidence.

Paladin is better because stuff and things. Are you happy now ? This explanation is as good as yours, given you just vent some nonsense. Mathematical evidence has been given again, and again, and again, and again, and again, showing without doubt that not only are paladins way way better for hard stuff, but they are going to scale better with even harder stuff. You just can't accept it so you make your own little snowflake thread about it, without providing anything to back it up. Just spouting some nonsense without anything to back your claims is not being "full of intellect".

Happy now ?

[Gingen]

The only serious comment that I'll give towards you as to why Paladins are the better tanks is this: From personal experiences doing HM Primals on my BLM, Warrior tanks cannot hold enough enmity required for the amount of heals they need. A Paladin never loses aggro to a WHM, unless he is unskilled or lazy. A Warrior almost always loses aggro to a WHM, not because he is unskilled or lazy, but because a WHM is forced to heal a Warrior much more. Throw in the fact that Paladins have higher parry, shield block, and more defensive cooldowns, there is no question as to who is the better "tank".

I have a hard time believing this as I've never lost hate to a healer or DPS in my time playing this game as a warrior tank.

This thread is not about warrior is better than paladin. Both are equally viable. To judge that warrior is inferior clearly shows that those who say such things, have never played warrior tank seriously lol

[Gingen]

Paladin is better because stuff and things. Are you happy now ? This explanation is as good as yours, given you just vent some nonsense. Mathematical evidence has been given again, and again, and again, and again, and again, showing without doubt that not only are paladins way way better for hard stuff, but they are going to scale better with even harder stuff. You just can't accept it so you make your own little snowflake thread about it, without providing anything to back it up. Just spouting some nonsense without anything to back your claims is not being "full of intellect".

Happy now ?

Not really. All you've done is shown me just how sad this community is :/

[HeiZei]

I have a hard time believing this as I've never lost hate to a healer or DPS in my time playing this game as a warrior tank.

This thread is not about warrior is better than paladin. Both are equally viable. To judge that warrior is inferior clearly shows that those who say such things, have never played warrior tank seriously lol

Well, you heard it here first, Warriors. All that complaining that you've done the past couple months? Nonsense. You just aren't playing your class seriously enough. Quit crying and go tank Titan HM now. Seriously. With a seriousness that can only be achieved by climbing the most serious of serious mountains. Then, and only then, will you be as enlightened as our dear friend Gingen.

My apologies, I've clearly been mistaken this whole time.

[Gingen]

Well, you heard it here first, Warriors. All that complaining that you've done the past couple months? Nonsense. You just aren't playing your class seriously enough. Quit crying and go tank Titan HM now. Seriously. With a seriousness that can only be achieved by climbing the most serious of serious mountains. Then, and only then, will you be as enlightened as our dear friend Gingen.

My apologies, I've clearly been mistaken this whole time.

That was a little uncalled for. As I said I've tanked titan HM as a warrior with no trouble, many times. It isn't difficult. Furthermore, titan HM itself really isn't that difficult if you just dodge *shrug*

[HeiZei]

That was a little uncalled for. As I said I've tanked titan HM as a warrior with no trouble, many times. It isn't difficult. Furthermore, titan HM itself really isn't that difficult if you just dodge *shrug*

As the tank, what are you dodging, exactly?

[Gingen]

As the tank, what are you dodging, exactly?

"Furthermore, titan HM itself really isn't that difficult if you just dodge *shrug*"

I was implying the fight itself, not tanking.