Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Cairdeas]

Allowing a Monk use a wep that they do not use in real life seem odd.

because we are totally playing a video game and monks dont use weapons.

Weapons of the Shaolin Kung Fu Monk

Stabbing and Sharp Edged Weapons

These weapons were either used to cut, slice, jab or stab. They came in varying lengths and styles. The combination could be endless.

Arhat Coin
Axe, Dagger
Axe, Long Stick
Axe
Brush Attacker
Brush, Wolf
Claw, Long Handed
Claw, Talon
Comb, Palace Heaven
Crescent Rake
Daggers, Twin
Fist, Brass
Fork Short
Fork, Flying
Fork, Horse
Fork, Scholar
Fork, Steel
Fork, Wolf Teeth Spiked
Halberd, Horse
Halberd, Large Horse
Halberd, Single Ended
Halberd, Twin Ended
Halberd
Hand, Buddha
Heaven Lotus Phoenix Tail
Heaven Lotus Wind Tail Tan
Hoe Hook, Fire
Hook, Nine Teeth
Knives, Butterfly
Knives, Deer Antler
Knives, Double Deer Antler
Kris (Sword Breaker)
L Shaped Halberd
Lance, Long
Lance
Pincers, Long Handed
Rake
Rod, Nine Chi Tapered
Rod, Eighteen-Chi Tapered Rod
Scissor & Ruler
Shovel, Golden Bell
Shovel, Golden Coin
Shovel, Heaven Tangled
Shovel, Lotus Flower
Shovel/Spade
Sickle
Spade, Gold Coin
Spade, Convenient
Spade, Crescent Moon
Spade, Golden Bell
Spade, Lotus Flower
Spear, Double Headed Spear, Hooked Single
Spear, Hook-Scythe Double
Spear, Hook-Scythe
Spear, Snake
Spear, Throwing
Spear, throwing
Spear, Wolf
Spear
Sting, Moon Tooth
Sting, Emei Piercers
Stirring Heaven Killer
Sword, Cicada Wing
Sword, Eagle Head
Sword, Heaven & Earth, Sun & Moon
Sword, Horse Chopping
Sword, Large Long Handed Broad
Sword, Broad, Ghost Head
Sword, Broad, Long
Sword, Broad, Nine Hook
Sword, Broad, Nine Ring
Sword, Broad, Southern
Sword, Broad, Swallow Tail Sword, Broad, Twin
Sword, Broad, Two-Handed
Sword, Butterfly Double
Sword, Dashing
Sword, Eyebrow Tip
Sword, Hook Sickle
Sword, Kick
Sword, Long Handed Elephant Nose Sword, Long Handled
Sword, Long-Handed Yue Fei
Sword, Ox Ear Sharp
Sword, Sleeve
Sword, Slip or Thin
Sword, Straight, Piercer
Sword, Straight, Snake
Sword, Straight, 3 Point Double-Blade
Sword, Straight, Twin
Sword, Straight, Two-handed
Sword, Straight, Unicorn Horn
Tree Knot

[Cairdeas]

Just for the purpose of transparency. I was being lazy and thats only the weapons that can be used to cut, I didn't copy the bludgeon and ranged weapons sorry.

[Dragon]

[snippet]

I'd go further.

I'd never had bothered playing DRG if it wasn't for the wyvern, I rather hate polearms; in fact, when I have a dragon of any type by my side, I'm going to expect to have either a large sword, staff, or a whip in my hands. If a job with a draconian pet is released in XIV, and I'm forced to wield a polearm to play it, I won't even give it a second glance. Never again.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Level Pug to 50 unlock monk at 30 level up every class to 30 unlock every job.

Now i can play every job within one class which is 50 now i have all job 50 without level up there class. o.o just seem odd to me top of that the SE looking for realism. Allowing a Monk use a wep that they do not use in real life seem odd. But hey whatever they do i can care less players would make you play the wep that is best for the role it been like that in ffxi and it going to be like that in ffxiv.

one problem with that, if you are a PUG.... and you set your job to WHM, then how are you going to cure?

the jobs are there to enhance and compelemt abilites from the classes and specilalize them more.

Now if you did this..... it would make more sense.

PUG 50 with CON leved to 30, you unlock WHM and set it as your job, now you are a PUG that can heal decently. You would not be the best healer out there, but you would be a support healing PUG.

[Anathiel]

I'd go further.

I'd never had bothered playing DRG if it wasn't for the wyvern, I rather hate polearms; in fact, when I have a dragon of any type by my side, I'm going to expect to have either a large sword, staff, or a whip in my hands. If a job with a draconian pet is released in XIV, and I'm forced to wield a polearm to play it, I won't even give it a second glance. Never again.

Did you not play final fantasy vi, or tactics? dragoon = polearm. the fact they gave drg a pet wyvern in ff:xi seems like thats the one game that broke the tradition.

As for my two cents on this thread. I think jobs should be locked into certain weapons. maybe not just one weapon, but at the absolute most, 2 weapons.

If you want to play the whole: 'in past final fantasy's certain jobs were able to use, yada yada yada weapons' alright, I got a counter arguement; FF:VI. Sabin could only use claws/knuckles. cyan could only use katana's. locke could only use daggers and swords, etc etc. actually pretty much every final fantasy since VI has been a locked in one weapon type of role (with the exception of XI, but even then you couldn't be a DRG with a sword due to skill levels)

A mnk with a polearm, a whm with an axe, and if from a realistic and also fantasy/video game perspective it doesn't make sense. a weakling mage job or a hand to hand expert using something outside their "skill area" isn't what people are gonna want and even then, if you do use it you're not going to be very good at it.

in closing, I also wanted to point out that jobs are going to be implemented to give role specialization within a party. if you want to be a tank you're probably gonna be paladin, if you want to be a h2h dd you're probably gonna be a pugilist. Making it so jobs are able to use a large array of weapons is completely ruining the specialization that the dev team is aiming for.

EDIT: using weapon as a short for weapon class.

[Cairdeas]

one problem with that, if you are a PUG.... and you set your job to WHM, then how are you going to cure?

the jobs are there to enhance and compelemt abilites from the classes and specilalize them more.

Now if you did this..... it would make more sense.

PUG 50 with CON leved to 30, you unlock WHM and set it as your job, now you are a PUG that can heal decently. You would not be the best healer out there, but you would be a support healing PUG.

Actually based on the description given by SE.

Jobs we Know do the following

Create a growth path for a player. The Job is a defined playstyle and it gives bonuses for using that playstyle. White Mage is Healer.

It locks out cross classing skills that are counter to the Job. A White Mage wont be using Magic. Etc.

It grants special skills that only the Job Would have. (Benediction, Holy, Auto-Regen, Re-raise)

More to the point it probably will/should also give its own stat trait modifiers like for White Mage 5 INT > 5 MND. or something similar. (Speculation but plausible.)

So a Pugilist/White Mage will be able to cast cure spells and White Mage only abilities. And have stats modified to Fit.

So even if the White Mage is a pugilist he is still a healer. He might even get bonuses for the skills pugilist have that modify healing. So Second Wind probably will deal more healing to himself.


It is also plausible to say that any "Mage Job" has its own version of AOE casting that is not the same as Conjurer and Thaumaturge. For instance instead of having a toggle switch. White Mage might have access to the Curaga spell itself. So the Weapon isn't issuing out the AOE, the spell itself is. Not taking away the ability from the Weapons that grant it. Curaga alone might have lower AOE range and power when used away from Conjurer and Thaumaturge, but then once used on Conjurer and Thaumaturge it heals more and farther away from its casting point. Making Conjurer and Thaumaturge still the better choice for healing as a way to balance but not preventing a combination like Pugilist/White Mage from being usable.

[Cairdeas]

Did you not play final fantasy vi, or tactics? dragoon = polearm. the fact they gave drg a pet wyvern in ff:xi seems like thats the one game that broke the tradition.

As for my two cents on this thread. I think jobs should be locked into certain weapons. maybe not just one weapon, but at the absolute most, 2 weapons.

If you want to play the whole: 'in past final fantasy's certain jobs were able to use, yada yada yada weapons' alright, I got a counter arguement; FF:VI. Sabin could only use claws/knuckles. cyan could only use katana's. locke could only use daggers and swords, etc etc. actually pretty much every final fantasy since VI has been a locked in one weapon type of role (with the exception of XI, but even then you couldn't be a DRG with a sword due to skill levels)

A mnk with a polearm, a whm with an axe, and if from a realistic and also fantasy/video game perspective it doesn't make sense. a weakling mage job or a hand to hand expert using something outside their "skill area" isn't what people are gonna want and even then, if you do use it you're not going to be very good at it.

in closing, I also wanted to point out that jobs are going to be implemented to give role specialization within a party. if you want to be a tank you're probably gonna be paladin, if you want to be a h2h dd you're probably gonna be a pugilist. Making it so jobs are able to use a large array of weapons is completely ruining the specialization that the dev team is aiming for.

Funny, None of the FF games I've played limited a Dragoon to Polearms..Kain uses

He can equip all spears, axes, shields, helmets, armor, gloves, and most swords and rings.

Thats from FF.wikia.com.

The only Two Depictions of Dragoon that were limited to Polearms only were Khimari Rhonso, and Freya
In those games the characters were not directly depicting any jobs and were actually meshes of jobs. But to keep the game assets to a minimum each character themselves preferred a weapon. It wasn't picked because of their job.

Khmari was more Blue Mage anyway, and Freya was a Dragoon/Redmage

[Anathiel]

Funny, None of the FF games I've played limited a Dragoon to Polearms..Kain uses
Thats from FF.wikia.com.

The only Two Depictions of Dragoon that were limited to Polearms only were Khimari Rhonso, and Freya
In those games the characters were not directly depicting any jobs and were actually meshes of jobs. But to keep the game assets to a minimum each character themselves preferred a weapon. It wasn't picked because of their job.

Khmari was more Blue Mage anyway, and Freya was a Dragoon/Redmage

right and technically you could call mog a dragoon, he could only equip lances. guess you could call him a dancer/dragoon. and kain could use swords and axes...but ultimate weapon was a lance how about that? I guess if he had an equally powerful ultimate weapon in swords and axes then yeah you'd have a point. but...it didn't. of course we could also bring up final fantasy v and the dragoon in that....could only use lances. OH and while i'm at it final fantasy IV was the one with kain, not vi.

[Sorel]

right and technically you could call mog a dragoon, he could only equip lances. guess you could call him a dancer/dragoon. and kain could use swords and axes...but ultimate weapon was a lance how about that? I guess if he had an equally powerful ultimate weapon in swords and axes then yeah you'd have a point. but...it didn't. of course we could also bring up final fantasy iv and the dragoon in that....could only use lances. OH and while i'm at it final fantasy V was the one with kain, not vi.

The point from the example was not what weapon a Dragoon is absolutely the best with. No doubt, that's a spear or lance. The point was just because a Dragoon is very very good with a lance, doesn't mean that he can't use any other weapon at all.

[Anathiel]

The point from the example was not what weapon a Dragoon is absolutely the best with. No doubt, that's a spear or lance. The point was just because a Dragoon is very very good with a lance, doesn't mean that he can't use any other weapon at all.

Got it, I really do. but right now the vibe I'm getting from the letter from the producer is the funds are starting to dry up. if they're putting in a system that is meant to give certain classes even further specialization with jobs. why isn't that enough?

And to be honest, if a drg could use other weapons but not be good at them then whats the point?. jobs are meant for party play, for specialization...so why would you want to be sub par in a specialized role?