Even SE staff hates Warriors...

[Nukocafe]

Yoshi-P said War was 'very powerful' and that players haven't researched enough during the TGS liveletter.

Would thread title be 'Even SE staff hates Paladins' if the pld group had happened to 'win' in that demo video?

I'm only level 43 on my battle class (I'm a healer) so I don't know what potential warriors have but from healing both warriors & paladins, I feel like I'm spamming heal non stop on a warrior but with Paladin I only shoot it when maybe there's more than 3 guys. There's been situations where the Warrior just cannot handle all the hits and he takes damage faster than I can heal, even with all of his cooldowns on. With that in mind, I'd love to give tips to my warrior buddy on what this "unreached research" is.

And regarding the paladins, no because no one ever complains about Paladins being bad :P

[Amyas]

And regarding the paladins, no because no one ever complains about Paladins being bad :P

Only 'baddy' tanks I've had have been plds, but that's beside the point, I main War 90% of the time.

Solution is to nerf pld ofc, since they're so OP, rather than buff a job that's fine as is.

I don't even see how you can see the difference between the two jobs when you're only 43, the only time the tank's job makes a big difference is Titan hm and Coil, even then Wars are fine if their healers are semi-competent...

[Nichigo]

And regarding the paladins, no because no one ever complains about Paladins being bad :P

I seem to run into alot of bad PLDs...esp in dungeons because they seem to have to try a little harder to keep group aggro...whereas it's relatively easy for a Warrior. The thing is...I run dungeons MOST of the time (and so does everyone else). As a PLD, I find it challenging to keep group hate. Cycling through the mobs is alot of work...and I've definitely seen PLD's that can't do this efficiently.

IDK why we keep having these conversations. It's been reiterated over and over that they excel at different things. Warrior = better at managing groups, PLD = no brainer boss tank. Obviously there are deviations based on player skill/gear, but those are the differences in a nutshell.

The MAIN problem between the classes is this:

-Paladins can make up for their weaknesses in crowd management by player skill.
-Warriors tanking big bosses are hindered by their class skills and [lack of] inherent defense. It can be made up partially by skill, but they're at much more of a disadvantage than PLD's.

Does this warrant a change? Maybe. Maybe not. The issue here seems to be that alot of warriors want to be on equal playing fields with PLDs as main tanks...but maybe they're just meant to shine as group tanks and off-tanks.

I personally like seeing Warriors and Paladins as my tank in their own fair share of circumstances. I like seeing Warriors in AK. I perfer seeing a PLD in Garuda. Isn't this the same thing that happens with other classes...like Melee DPS vs. Ranged? Not sure why people think this should be treated so differently.

[Nukocafe]

As a PLD, I find it challenging to keep group hate. Cycling through the mobs is alot of work...and I've definitely seen PLD's that can't do this efficiently.

I do agree on this, I find that when partying with a warrior he can get the mob off the healer almost immediately but with a paladin I saw him running back & forth between the enemies multiple times and he couldn't get the mob off either me or my fairy until at least 1 of the mobs was dead.

[Yagrush]

Only 'baddy' tanks I've had have been plds, but that's beside the point, I main War 90% of the time.

Solution is to nerf pld ofc, since they're so OP, rather than buff a job that's fine as is.

I don't even see how you can see the difference between the two jobs when you're only 43, the only time the tank's job makes a big difference is Titan hm and Coil, even then Wars are fine if their healers are semi-competent...

You, who clings to the Yoshi quote so much, what if I told you that the developer's testing area is a completely different context from what is in Live now? Different numbers, possible abilities that are being tested, gears, etc.

[Amyas]

You, who clings to the Yoshi quote so much, what if I told you that the developer's testing area is a completely different context from what is in Live now? Different numbers, possible abilities that are being tested, gears, etc.

I'm sure. That doesn't mean their insight into it is worthless though, they're the ones who created it. I see you're a warrior as well. Don't take that crap you're reading on the forums about wars being worthless. We are a viable tank job.

[Yagrush]

I'm sure. That doesn't mean their insight into it is worthless though, they're the ones who created it. I see you're a warrior as well. Don't take that crap you're reading on the forums about wars being worthless. We are a viable tank job.

I think it's wise to stay from both extremes. They aren't worthless nor bad tanks. They are damn good and they do have their merits, aswell as, arguably, higher skill cap. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say "They are fine, completely balanced, they don't need any buffs/help. They do need it. And the fact of the matter is, if Warriors aren't touched, no matter what the Devs say, the community will continue to filter out Warriors from their BC runs in favor for PLD because of them being the safer and easier choice. Warriors need work, that's all there is to it.

[Mazley]

And regarding the paladins, no because no one ever complains about Paladins being bad :P

Um I've seen a lot bad pld cause its easy mode.