PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Amas]

Didn't realize HQ darksteel as well as full DL accessories was mostly ilvl 60 gear lol that's epic that you think that, kind of makes anything you say invalid if you don't even know what level the items are.

Hoplite hands/waist/legs/feet/neck/ring, unless you've upgraded legs, waist, neck, and ring in the last few hours since your Lodestone profile updated.

6 out of 12 available slots (since no offhand) filled with ilvl 60 gear.

Hardly overgeared for anything worth mentioning.

I have little interest in a dick-waving contest with you, but you're significantly overstating your own gear level. On top of that, why you'd load up a HQ Darksteel body with Skill Speed materia instead of Crit Rate materia is a bit of a mystery to me, but to each their own, I suppose.

Considering that my own, totally shelved, WAR is completely ilvl70+ except for weapon (purely thanks to PLD hand-me-downs), I think I understand item levels perfectly well.

[Jonjey]

I have little interest in a dick-waving contest with you, but you're significantly overstating your own gear level. On top of that, why you'd load up a HQ Darksteel body with Skill Speed materia instead of Crit Rate materia is a bit of a mystery to me, but to each their own, I suppose.

Considering that my own, totally shelved, WAR is completely ilvl70+ except for weapon (purely thanks to PLD hand-me-downs), I think I understand item levels perfectly well.

Dude is so into it but tries to play it off like he isn't.
You obviously don't play war so don't tell anyone what is good to have. I'm focusing on the future. Ever see someone in full Accuracy IV materia? Yet no one ever misses anything in this game? There's a reason for that. Futuuuuuuuuure.

[wonka11]

You're cherrypicking your own facts/scenarios to make the picture look rosier, but what you're saying simply isn't true.

There's no reduced efficiency to healing a PLD, and even in Sword Oath they take less damage than a WAR.

Providing a direct example of content, which is used as a comparison tool is not cherry picking, its addressing the issue.

Paladin vit will never outscale or be at a greater ratio than the amount healing scales on casting abilities even as simple as cure and cure II. Once geared well, healers will find themselves overhealing paladins consistently due to their lower HP pools. This is fact.

The damage intake by both classes is similar outside of CDs. Block and self healing are supposed to to be comparable to each other, however, as I continue to become more geared I am seeing my healing begin to outscale in some situations the effectiveness of my Paladin's block ratio.

You seem biased, bro.

[Exstal]

In my full str setup I've been told numerous times that keeping me up is easier than full vit tanks. Think I said that in the OP. I have no way to confirm or deny it's validity but if more than a few people said it then there must be something behind it right?

As a SCH, I hate healing Warrior. Simple as that, I actually HAVE to heal them instead of be lazy like I can with Paladin.

[Jonjey]

As a SCH, I hate healing Warrior. Simple as that, I actually HAVE to heal them instead of be lazy like I can with Paladin.

Just the other night in DF my entire party wiped on Tonberry King and I solo'd him from 30% because WAR is a self healing beast.
Okay I get it Tonberry King isn't hard shit but solo'ing it from 30% is a sort of big deal I'd say and I don't think PLD could have done it as easily as I did at least.

[Jonjey]

You seem biased, bro.

THIS.
Everyone in here that is disagreeing either has no clue what they're talking about, hasn't tried it out for themselves, or are simply talking out of their asses about how god mode pld is.

Also, anyone who has brought up sword oath and a bunch of other garbage about cool downs and stuff you don't do while tanking, that is all completely irrelevant. The entire purpose of my first post if you go back and read it is that a well geared tanking PLD in shield oath compared to a well geared WAR in defiance, the WAR will always do much more damage over the course of the fight compared to the PLD. WAR is a more offensive job, don't make excuses about sword oath and talk about a bunch of stuff you never use while tanking. Just accept that war does more damage while tanking.

[Maelwys]

Just the other night in DF my entire party wiped on Tonberry King and I solo'd him from 30% because WAR is a self healing beast.
Okay I get it Tonberry King isn't hard shit but solo'ing it from 30% is a sort of big deal I'd say and I don't think PLD could have done it as easily as I did at least.

Umm.

Perhaps I'm missing something... but why did your entire party wipe in the first place?
I can understand if it was just one or two unlucky hits, but a total wipe?
That fight is downright easy, even if everyone's in basic AF gear.

Heck, if you soloed him down from 30% then the Tonberry Slashers likely wouldn't have even spawned by the time the wipe took place.

Maybe you play a tank differently than I do... but when Tanking, I try to hold aggro and not let the other party members die.

[Exstal]

Just the other night in DF my entire party wiped on Tonberry King and I solo'd him from 30% because WAR is a self healing beast.
Okay I get it Tonberry King isn't hard shit but solo'ing it from 30% is a sort of big deal I'd say and I don't think PLD could have done it as easily as I did at least.

There was a thread about Warrior being better than Paladin for lower level content. I believe the DPS limit was 400 DPS, and that's when Warrior requires less interaction from the healer. However relevant content, Titan+ is where bosses does >400 DPS in which Warrior has a hard time because their CDs are trash. So in accordance to thread's original topic, it should be Warrior is better at Garuda or lower since Paladin isn't useless. Hallow Ground is quite an amazing CD.

[wonka11]

Umm.

Perhaps I'm missing something... but why did your entire party wipe in the first place?
I can understand if it was just one or two unlucky hits, but a total wipe?
That fight is downright easy, even if everyone's in basic AF gear.

Heck, if you soloed him down from 30% then the Tonberry Slashers likely wouldn't have even spawned by the time the wipe took place.

Maybe you play a tank differently than I do... but when Tanking, I try to hold aggro and not let the other party members die.

I hear groups don't have terrible dps or healers that can get themselves killed.

Why are you so condescending and ad hominem? You've done nothing to address his point of self healing. Grats on having all of the elitism and none of the sense.

[wonka11]

However relevant content, Titan+ is where bosses does >400 DPS in which Warrior has a hard time because their CDs are trash.

Thats funny, I didn't have a problem and neither did my healers. Maybe this is based more on personal skill rather than proven fact.

Also its not about mitigating Titan's damage as a Warrior. Its about using IB and Infuriate when appropriate to heal the damage back.

Example: my IBs hit for 1.5 standard and on crit 2.5+. Titan's MB hits me from 3.7 - 4k without the use of sacred soil, rain of death, etc. I've already healed over 1/3rd to 1/2 of that damage with IB alone. My paladin friend is hit for roughly 2.9-3.4k being in the same gear (Full df, relic, and af +1 chest). He has 5.4k in health roughly as well. I never drop below 35-40% on Titan while he does at times. My IB is up every MB, his Cds once run out, are out. It doesn't get to this point anymore since Titan is now on farm, but you get the idea.

Tell me again how that makes Paladin better?

Its a different style, but it doesn't make it inferior. Get rid of that one dimensional thinking.