PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[wonka11]

the same thing that makes paladins better in titan and coil is the same thing that makes them better in farm content - they require less heals

Simply untrue. I wish this annoying statement would just stop being claimed. The ridiculousness of this position comes simply from an egocentric view of the game which does not take into account healer abilities and their +% to healing as well as their maximum healing amounts when in the right gear.

Concisely put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Again, perfect example of flawed theory crafting gone awry in practicality.

[Jonjey]

At the risk of sounding like a snooty snob, how can a WAR in mostly ilvl 60 gear and a NQ relic give the final word on "easy content" when you don't even outgear it by that massive of a margin?

Didn't realize HQ darksteel as well as full DL accessories was mostly ilvl 60 gear lol that's epic that you think that, kind of makes anything you say invalid if you don't even know what level the items are.

[Hanabira]

You must not have read anything that has been said at all.
I flat out stated that you want to be in full vit gear for garuda, titan, coil, etc.
Did you not see that part or what? That's nuts that you came in here agreeing with everything I said yet somehow find a way to be disagreeing (in your head) with everything I said. Blew my mind.

Because whats the point of gearing your class to be marginally faster at stuff that doesnt matter, and unable to do anything that does? i mean i guess i can see it if you leveled war just to spam AK, but then why not just do a dd?

[Exstal]

Simply untrue. I wish this annoying statement would just stop being claimed. The ridiculousness of this position comes simply from an egocentric view of the game which does not take into account healer abilities and their +% to healing as well as their maximum healing amounts when in the right gear.

Simply put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Again, perfect example of flawed theory crafting gone awry in practicality.

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

[Jonjey]

Because whats the point of gearing your class to be marginally faster at stuff that doesnt matter, and unable to do anything that does? i mean i guess i can see it if you leveled war just to spam AK, but then why not just do a dd?

I have relic full dl mnk, relic+1 mostly dl blm, and relic whm. All of these were geared before I even thought about doing war. If I want to do coil I'll do it on my monk or blm. If I want to do titan I'll do it on whm. If I want to do AK or TWP I'll do it on Warrior as my war is the most optimized tank you could have for those dungeons other than someone with my exact setup with more af2/coil str gear on.

[Seriat]

/popcorn

/10char

[wonka11]

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

Only the bad ones, and yeah, they are wrong.

I clear content with all RL friends (eight of us) and we have both Paladin and Warrior. It is both of my friend's consensus (one scholar, one white mage) that the opinion stems from people who are incorrect in their theory crafting, or are terrible healers. I'm inclined to believe them as I see no difference in the amount of mana they use to heal me as they do our Paladin friend.

This is on HM Titan and now starting B.C.

[Hanabira]

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

Ive personally asked a few healers after some runs and theyve always said that usually warriors ARE harder to heal but i was not at all.. the real problem is that most warriors dont do anything but spam hate combo and inner beast. With a war who actually tries, it isnt much difference in healing. the difference is being unable to really reduce really large spike damage.

[Jonjey]

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

In my full str setup I've been told numerous times that keeping me up is easier than full vit tanks. Think I said that in the OP. I have no way to confirm or deny it's validity but if more than a few people said it then there must be something behind it right?

[Amas]

Simply put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Uh... what?

You're cherrypicking your own facts/scenarios to make the picture look rosier, but what you're saying simply isn't true.

There's no reason to overheal a PLD on farm-tier content, as there's nothing capable of spiking them hard enough to worry about keeping HP topped off. A PLD has far more HP than a healer can recover in a single cast, and there's virtually zero risk of death letting a PLD drop low enough to prevent overhealing even on a crit cure spell. More realistically, thanks to the flat damage-taken profile and CDs to cover predictable damage spikes, a healer can pop proactive heals (Regen, Stoneskin, Adloquium, etc.) on a PLD and ignore them for the most part.

There's no reduced efficiency to healing a PLD, and even in Sword Oath they take less damage than a WAR.