PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Jonjey]

b/c they tank without worrying about DPS as if they're a dps when they're not?

Horrible player logic spotted.
Why not do something to help when you could be doing something to help?
Your brain is top notch stuff.

[Maelwys]

Aha.

Found one of them...

[Dman0129]

Aha.

Found one of them...

That pretty much makes the Original Posters argument mute. . . the dps is so minimal wouldnt even see it.

[Kiaris]

Its ok Guys..

WAR is better when...

You are fully geared and running mind numbing content that does not matter.
Go back and do the level 15 instances as a WAR.. You'll be awsome.


I have to say.. when running AK, i run with a SCH most of the time, he does DMG the entire instance in cleric stance up to last boss. his pet does all the healing.

I take my WAR in.. i do a bit more dmg.. but now the healer has to actually heal.

Must better to take a war still ? Meh.


But hey. im glad WAR's have learned how to play.. Go do lower content you already out gear and your set.

50 WAR - 50 PLD for myself, i dont find many uses for my WAR these days except for amusement.

[Hanabira]

Im still stuck on him praising that he tanks ifrit with no problem with high end gear but struggles with garuda. As a well geared full vit tank, i can solo tank garuda and her red sister. Having 7.5khp is a huge help and even as an off tank in coil, having 5k as a warrior is not enough at all for anything higher than ifrit.

[Jonjey]

Aha.

Found one of them...

Can PLD in sword oath break 1k damage?
I think those numbers are being thrown around in a fashion that doesn't even compute to what we're talking about here to be honest.

[Jonjey]

Im still stuck on him praising that he tanks ifrit with no problem with high end gear but struggles with garuda. As a well geared full vit tank, i can solo tank garuda and her red sister. Having 7.5khp is a huge help and even as an off tank in coil, having 5k as a warrior is not enough at all for anything higher than ifrit.

You must not have read anything that has been said at all.
I flat out stated that you want to be in full vit gear for garuda, titan, coil, etc.
Did you not see that part or what? That's nuts that you came in here agreeing with everything I said yet somehow find a way to be disagreeing (in your head) with everything I said. Blew my mind.

[Kiaris]

Can PLD in sword oath break 1k damage?
I think those numbers are being thrown around in a fashion that doesn't even compute to what we're talking about here to be honest.

BARD cant break 1k dmg.. im not sure MNK can break 1k dmg.

I guess that makes WAR a better DD then them.

[Jonjey]

BARD cant break 1k dmg.. im not sure MNK can break 1k dmg.

I guess that makes WAR a better DD then them.

In Garuda as off tank the other night we had a very skilled player with Sphairai+1 and full DL(literally everything he had on was DL.) and at the end of the fight, with LB3 which he said did 18k, he was at 80k damage, and I was in second at 66k damage, followed by a relic/mostly dl blm at 62k. That's with popping defiance for sisters pop and holding both of them until they were dead. I can't imagine PLD could compete that closely with a +1 relic full DL monk in any situation ever.

[Amas]

At the risk of sounding like a snooty snob, how can a WAR in mostly ilvl 60 gear and a NQ relic give the final word on "easy content" when you don't even outgear it by that massive of a margin?

For the "easy content" where WAR supposedly "excels", PLD can just run Sword Oath and use CDs to mitigate any damage spikes and significantly outperform a WAR in Defiance. If the WAR drops Defiance, they're utterly redundant and should be replaced by another pure DPS class.

Like above posters have said, we need to stop trying to say that WAR is okay. It is not. We need to focus SE's attention on its shortcomings so that they can be rectified sooner rather than later.

People are getting exceptionally good at trying to ram square pegs into round holes to justify WAR. WAR, in its current state, cannot be justified.

Edit: And to the whole "off tank" thing that's cropped up a couple times. There is no reason to offtank anything prior to Coil. A PLD can solo tank + stun Ifrit. A PLD can solo tank Garuda. A PLD can solo tank Chim and Hydra. It does all of these things significantly better than WAR does.