Quote Originally Posted by CyanDvai View Post
War is better at multiple target control, pld is better at single target control. Pulling 4+ mobs I will loose hate usually on at least 1 of them, especially if I'm running with Relic+1 dps (which I ave been in my latest AK runs).
Your rotation must be slightly off if your not able to hold threat, that or you let one the mobs slightly out of range of flash. I tank AK in Sword Oath with 2 SMN in full DL and Relic +1 and usually pull 2-3 groups of mobs(6-9) and never loose aggro.

Quote Originally Posted by Jonjey View Post
I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times
Killing the wall before bees and without using limit break is a joke now days. Im not sure I would use this as an example. I think in the 15 or so runs I did in AK yesterday (19-20min each) We used LB 1 time on wall. . . That was because the extra Smn was using Grand Company book and didnt have relic or Darklight yet.