PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Jonjey]

PLD is the better tank. It's a better tank for everything in the game. That's a fact. It's better at -tanking-. However, on content that you don't -need- all of that extra tanking ability, such as CM, Prae, Ifrit, AK, TWP, etc, Warrior is the superior choice because it can still tank anything those dungeons have to offer, while dealing more damage, thus making it faster. I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times, it's not fair to put all of the load on the DPS when you could be doing more damage yourself. Stop making excuses.

[PriestMalkier]

PLD is the better tank. It's a better tank for everything in the game. That's a fact. It's better at -tanking-. However, on content that you don't -need- all of that extra tanking ability, such as CM, Prae, Ifrit, AK, TWP, etc, Warrior is the superior choice because it can still tank anything those dungeons have to offer, while dealing more damage, thus making it faster. I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times, it's not fair to put all of the load on the DPS when you could be doing more damage yourself. Stop making excuses.

Exaggerate much? I regularly kill demon wall with my group (as do most in the FC now) with both warrior or paladin tanks. You're warrior dps isn't what makes the difference between a demon wall speed kill. Either the dps is overgeared or they aren't.

[Exstal]

I'm pretty sure the math has been done that Warrior, VIT stacked like tanks are supposed to be, do marginally better DPS than Paladin.

So by this logic, Warrior is unnecessary for anything because you can just use a Sword Oath STR PLD, who will take less damage than the Warrior anyway.

[Maelwys]

I'm pretty sure the math has been done that Warrior, VIT stacked like tanks are supposed to be, do marginally better DPS than Paladin.

This.

The comparisons I remember show Paladin DPS being much worse than WAR if they just cycle the Rage of Halone Combo. However once they start using off-GCD abilities (mainly Spirits Within and Circle of Scorn) and start using 'Fight or Flight' on cooldown then they become effectively on par with WAR when in both are in their Tanking stance and very slightly behind WAR when both are just DPSing. There's also a slight trade-off in TP to consider (IIRC both will slowly lose TP over time when spamming their optimal attack chains, but WAR will lose it slightly faster, meaning that PLD can keep up their damage for slightly longer before they have to start waiting a little between GCDs to rebuild TP)

With Infinite TP WAR can just spam overpower and AoE things to death. Depends what limits you put on the scenario.

[Dman0129]

War is better at multiple target control, pld is better at single target control. Pulling 4+ mobs I will loose hate usually on at least 1 of them, especially if I'm running with Relic+1 dps (which I ave been in my latest AK runs).

Your rotation must be slightly off if your not able to hold threat, that or you let one the mobs slightly out of range of flash. I tank AK in Sword Oath with 2 SMN in full DL and Relic +1 and usually pull 2-3 groups of mobs(6-9) and never loose aggro.

I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times

Killing the wall before bees and without using limit break is a joke now days. Im not sure I would use this as an example. I think in the 15 or so runs I did in AK yesterday (19-20min each) We used LB 1 time on wall. . . That was because the extra Smn was using Grand Company book and didnt have relic or Darklight yet.

[CyanDvai]

Your rotation must be slightly off if your not able to hold threat, that or you let one the mobs slightly out of range of flash. I tank AK in Sword Oath with 2 SMN in full DL and Relic +1 and usually pull 2-3 groups of mobs(6-9) and never loose aggro.

You're also in Relic+1 sword/shield. I'm using Garuda sword and DL Shield trying to hold against 2 BLM's in Relic+1.
I do pretty decent if I'm holding hate against dps that is similarly equipped.

But if you can give constructive criticism on what I could do better and the rotation you use instead of saying "my rotation is off" I would appreciate the feed back. I look at every opportunity to improve myself.

[Skullcrusher]

Your rotation must be slightly off if your not able to hold threat, that or you let one the mobs slightly out of range of flash. I tank AK in Sword Oath with 2 SMN in full DL and Relic +1 and usually pull 2-3 groups of mobs(6-9) and never loose aggro.



Killing the wall before bees and without using limit break is a joke now days. Im not sure I would use this as an example. I think in the 15 or so runs I did in AK yesterday (19-20min each) We used LB 1 time on wall. . . That was because the extra Smn was using Grand Company book and didnt have relic or Darklight yet.

I bow to you , o warlord of video games.
I pray one day, MAYBE, i may bask in your light.

You spent 5 hours running the one dungeon? No wonder i cant keep up anymore, i know what im doing wrong.
Tomorrow im quiting my job, kicking my gf to the kerb, then locking the doors to my house whilst snapping the key in the locks as to never leave this humble abode....

[Giantbane]

I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times, it's not fair to put all of the load on the DPS when you could be doing more damage yourself. Stop making excuses.

Is the PLD in Sword Oath the whole time spamming CoS/Spirits and FoF on cooldown (and not interrupting his main combo with it either)? Because he should be, at least until the bees pop. Might also consider adding Fracture for AK runs, not like PLD really need their cross class abilities for that dungeon.