Sargatanas, bot Teleport farming !!

[XNihili]

Thats why i said flag and not insta ban. If someone gets caught off of the ground once, maybe its a bug, but if they are doing it all the time like they do, then its obvious. And that will not increase server load, do what ffxi did and send a ping when someone is traveling faster than normal speed without the proper buffs.

How are you going to know if people are traveling faster than normal speed ? You have to compare the position every time and check with the timer to see if it's possible (and take account the lag that can screw the calculation). Doing it once is easy and fast.
Doing it every time for everybody sounds crazy to me.

[L33K]

i reported some1 telebotting on ditermite a few days ago. got a video but 1.2gb it too much for me to upload in youtube lol
tryin to be positive in every way but sounds liek teh MMO genre will die bcoz if these illegal acts continues

[Capita]

Funny how everyone's somehow an expert who can solve all of SE's problems. Hey, if you're so good at it, why not get a job doing it?

WoW had botters that ran around an area for months before they were banned. They had those little hacker guys in Orgrimmar with like 15 level 1 toons that formed letters to advertise their gold selling websites. It was a daily occurrence.

GW2 has nonstop underground node gatherers who teleport between Orichalcum nodes. WvW had (and still has) a bunch of little douches teleporting past defenses and soloing castle bosses. Were they ever banned? Maybe. But surely not for the 3 months I spent there, watching the same people do the same thing.

I never played Rift, but I can pretty much guarantee the same thing there. Why? Because it's in literally every single MMO I've ever played (WoW, RO, FFXI, FFXIV, SW:TOR, GW, GW2, WAR, Aion, TERA, etc.). It's not an easy problem to solve, so you should stop pretending like it is.

[Masked]

How are you going to know if people are traveling faster than normal speed ? You have to compare the position every time and check with the timer to see if it's possible (and take account the lag that can screw the calculation). Doing it once is easy and fast.

Most MMO's include it in their coding to detect abnormal movement above/beyond normal effects.

Aion was coded for an X/Y Axis since you could fly...So, abnormal movements were tracked and flagged for a person to later look at them...This was of course after the bot ban that blanket banned a couple thousand innocent users BUT, that being said at least they got their accounts back within a few hours.

The fundamental issue is SOE's lack of NA/EU CS. Cut the problem off when it starts - not a big deal. Wait 2-3 weeks to do anything, NOW it's a HUGE deal.

Think of it like cancer or a virus. Stop it early, 1 person is infected. Wait 2 weeks...Day-Z happens.

[Masked]

I never played Rift, but I can pretty much guarantee the same thing there. Why? Because it's in literally every single MMO I've ever played (WoW, RO, FFXI, FFXIV, SW:TOR, GW, GW2, WAR, Aion, TERA, etc.). It's not an easy problem to solve, so you should stop pretending like it is.

WoW has botters because they own THOUSANDS of accounts...I believe Blizzard put out statistics to how many they were banning/day -- It's immense but, they can't do everything.

GW2 is different...Much different. NCSoft does a bi-weekly purge and gets most of them but, GW2 is GW2 again, at least they're doing something.

Rift doesn't really actually having a botting problem. Gold spam yes, botting? No...Why? They deal with it instantly.

Once again, if I need CS in any of the above games, I get in game support within an hour or two. FFXIV? 2 weeks at best. See the discrepancy?

[Nukocafe]

With the recent patch they restricted to only creating 8 characters in 24 hours to prevent bots but.......who needs to create 8 characters in 24 hours. Seriously who? The restriction should have been 2 every 24 hours. They really need to be stricter with this to help stop at least the RMT bots (but at least I did notice I get a lot less tell spam from those now.)

[Capita]

WoW has botters because they own THOUSANDS of accounts...I believe Blizzard put out statistics to how many they were banning/day -- It's immense but, they can't do everything.

GW2 is different...Much different. NCSoft does a bi-weekly purge and gets most of them but, GW2 is GW2 again, at least they're doing something.

Rift doesn't really actually having a botting problem. Gold spam yes, botting? No...Why? They deal with it instantly.

Once again, if I need CS in any of the above games, I get in game support within an hour or two. FFXIV? 2 weeks at best. See the discrepancy?

The problem here is that your argument is all anecdotal.

For example, I couldn't get a GM to ban a certain teleporting player in GW2, EVER, for 3 MONTHS. Whereas you're saying they get banned in 2 weeks. I spent all day in WvW on Jade Quarry. We were the most active WvW server for a very long time. We fought Sea of Sorrows and Blackgate for a good month, and that entire month had the same group of people teleport-hacking all over the place and stealing caps. What happened to the 2 weeks there? You're giving NCSoft a pass? For what? Being different? Wut?

Another example, I was mining in Thanalan when I saw a bot (stealthed, teleporting) mining in my area. I sent a report, and the guy disconnects in 15 minutes. Haven't seen him since.

See? Anecdotal is anecdotal. You can't make blanket statements based on your experience. SE has banned hundreds of people. They can't get all of them. No company can. Like I said, if it were that easy, the problem wouldn't exist in any game. I'm not defending their methods, and I certainly think they can do better, but you can't simply blame them for lack of CS while praising another company, when that other company isn't any better. Hell, Blizzard had the best CS of any company I've ever played with (literally <15 minutes for a GM to show up EVERY time I sent in a ticket), and they missed a LOT.

[Sinth]

The problem isn't bots.

The problem is that SE doesn't seem to care about people using bots. Bots are not something new to SE, bots aren't something new to MMOs, and they've had well over 2 weeks to get a handle of things. Sure, RMT spam has declined slightly. But my my brief survey of botted areas it looks like nothing has changed. There are still half a dozen bots moving around between level 5 nodes....

It's discouraging to honest players, and erodes faith that the company running the game even cares. This should not STILL be an issue.

Claiming that SE doesn't care about bots when they ban them after they are reported is ridiculous. You have no evidence to back up your claim and you are doing a disservice to the community by claming that SE doesn't ban reported cheaters (if they are indeed cheating). I have reported 3 teleport gathering bots and all 3 were banned.

[ParanoidHobo]

They should give like, 1/5 of their forum moderation staff a GM character with ban powers and just turn them loose on the servers. There wouldn't be a single bot left within 24 hours.

Seriously though these forums get moderated impressively fast >_> I got reported for "Use of inappropriate or aggressive language." and was banned for ten days in less than 24 hours. I wasn't even mad, I was impressed at how fast it was. Whereas telebots, which are INCREDIBLY BLATANT CHEATING, that I reported multiple times were still there doin' their thing up to 2 weeks afterwards. Priorities people; 'TeH swARe werdz' < incredibly blatant cheating.

[Masked]

See? Anecdotal is anecdotal. You can't make blanket statements based on your experience. SE has banned hundreds of people. They can't get all of them. No company can. Like I said, if it were that easy, the problem wouldn't exist in any game. I'm not defending their methods, and I certainly think they can do better, but you can't simply blame them for lack of CS while praising another company, when that other company isn't any better.

I've actually worked on 3 MMO's <~ Senior Systems Administrator...However, my point relates more to the lack of presence that SE has as compared to the response of other companies.

I was simply acknowledging that their CS is responsive. SE's CS is NOT responsive and when compared to other MMO's is simply, awful. At this point, that's not even an argument or a point of discussion, that's a cold-hard fact.

Combating a problem requires a presence. Not a 2 week delay in combating that presence.