PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Jonjey]

If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.

It's good to have an actual tank.
And yes I parse very often.
Also another note to add is I run this setup in Duty Finder as well as with my FC for things, and even in Duty Finder with full AF whm's, they have no problem keeping me alive. I've actually been told multiple times that my WAR was easier to keep alive than most. I have no way to confirm or deny that it's true, but I've heard it around 6 times from completely different people.

[Vmage]

I parse almost everything and have had well geared relic pld's tanking titan compared to (the same person) well geared relic war tanking titan both in full vit gear and both in their respective tanking stance, every single time his WAR parsed about 1.5x more damage than his PLD. That's close enough to twice the damage for me.

that's odd, anytime i've been parsed on titan whether it was pld or war the dps was right around 110

although they were geared the same and stat allocated the same - because y'know, i was tanking

i wouldn't be surprised at all if a str allocated war with dps gear outdps'd a paladin though - makes sense

i think the thread here is kindof missing the point though, which ironically you've already brought up:

It's good to have an actual tank.

the same thing that makes paladins better in titan and coil is the same thing that makes them better in farm content - they require less heals

your whm will be able to spam holy on trash packs in ak/wanderers, your scholar will be bane-ing dots around to everything, honestly unless you're doing one of those 9+ mob pulls they probably won't even have to leave cleric stance

that's simply not the case with a warrior

and i have yet to hear of a warrior claiming to outdps bane'd scholar dots/holy spam on trash packs - probably because that isn't possible

[wonka11]

the same thing that makes paladins better in titan and coil is the same thing that makes them better in farm content - they require less heals

Simply untrue. I wish this annoying statement would just stop being claimed. The ridiculousness of this position comes simply from an egocentric view of the game which does not take into account healer abilities and their +% to healing as well as their maximum healing amounts when in the right gear.

Concisely put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Again, perfect example of flawed theory crafting gone awry in practicality.

[Exstal]

Simply untrue. I wish this annoying statement would just stop being claimed. The ridiculousness of this position comes simply from an egocentric view of the game which does not take into account healer abilities and their +% to healing as well as their maximum healing amounts when in the right gear.

Simply put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Again, perfect example of flawed theory crafting gone awry in practicality.

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

[wonka11]

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

Only the bad ones, and yeah, they are wrong.

I clear content with all RL friends (eight of us) and we have both Paladin and Warrior. It is both of my friend's consensus (one scholar, one white mage) that the opinion stems from people who are incorrect in their theory crafting, or are terrible healers. I'm inclined to believe them as I see no difference in the amount of mana they use to heal me as they do our Paladin friend.

This is on HM Titan and now starting B.C.

[Hanabira]

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

Ive personally asked a few healers after some runs and theyve always said that usually warriors ARE harder to heal but i was not at all.. the real problem is that most warriors dont do anything but spam hate combo and inner beast. With a war who actually tries, it isnt much difference in healing. the difference is being unable to really reduce really large spike damage.

[Jonjey]

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

In my full str setup I've been told numerous times that keeping me up is easier than full vit tanks. Think I said that in the OP. I have no way to confirm or deny it's validity but if more than a few people said it then there must be something behind it right?

[Exstal]

In my full str setup I've been told numerous times that keeping me up is easier than full vit tanks. Think I said that in the OP. I have no way to confirm or deny it's validity but if more than a few people said it then there must be something behind it right?

As a SCH, I hate healing Warrior. Simple as that, I actually HAVE to heal them instead of be lazy like I can with Paladin.

[Jonjey]

As a SCH, I hate healing Warrior. Simple as that, I actually HAVE to heal them instead of be lazy like I can with Paladin.

Just the other night in DF my entire party wiped on Tonberry King and I solo'd him from 30% because WAR is a self healing beast.
Okay I get it Tonberry King isn't hard shit but solo'ing it from 30% is a sort of big deal I'd say and I don't think PLD could have done it as easily as I did at least.

[Mazley]

As a SCH, I hate healing Warrior. Simple as that, I actually HAVE to heal them instead of be lazy like I can with Paladin.

Muffin you have to actually heal? Why not just play a SMN and do some actually dps. My sch buddy prefers to heal my warrior then my pld.