PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Jonjey]

Pt. 2: This is another reason I feel WAR is best suited for full STR rather than full VIT. Warrior excels at tanking easier content, it's FAR better for easier content than PLD is, as it does twice the damage and is still easily able to tank all of the content. For this easier content there are very few situations you'll ever need the 7k HP obtained through a full VIT set up, Garuda main tanking being the only real choice for full VIT. Go DPS for Titan, I parsed 160 dps on Warrior pre-Bravura in full DL str accessories with a bunch of peltast/hoplite gear on and Garuda Axe. Now I have Bravura+1 with HQ Darksteel body, about to get pants with 5 Determination IV materia in them, and parse around 170-180 on things like Garuda where I don't have to keep defiance up the entire time. I main tank Ifrit in this setup with no problems once so ever, I main tank AK and TWP in this setup with no problems once so ever. It speeds up our runs by a ton and that is a very nice thing.

[BadRNG]

Warrior excels at tanking easier content, it's FAR better for easier content than PLD is, as it does twice the damage

Dat hyperbole.

It's been proven many times the difference in DPS is no where near the level you are making it out to be.

[Goleeb]

If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.

[Jonjey]

If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.

It's good to have an actual tank.
And yes I parse very often.
Also another note to add is I run this setup in Duty Finder as well as with my FC for things, and even in Duty Finder with full AF whm's, they have no problem keeping me alive. I've actually been told multiple times that my WAR was easier to keep alive than most. I have no way to confirm or deny that it's true, but I've heard it around 6 times from completely different people.

[Vmage]

I parse almost everything and have had well geared relic pld's tanking titan compared to (the same person) well geared relic war tanking titan both in full vit gear and both in their respective tanking stance, every single time his WAR parsed about 1.5x more damage than his PLD. That's close enough to twice the damage for me.

that's odd, anytime i've been parsed on titan whether it was pld or war the dps was right around 110

although they were geared the same and stat allocated the same - because y'know, i was tanking

i wouldn't be surprised at all if a str allocated war with dps gear outdps'd a paladin though - makes sense

i think the thread here is kindof missing the point though, which ironically you've already brought up:

It's good to have an actual tank.

the same thing that makes paladins better in titan and coil is the same thing that makes them better in farm content - they require less heals

your whm will be able to spam holy on trash packs in ak/wanderers, your scholar will be bane-ing dots around to everything, honestly unless you're doing one of those 9+ mob pulls they probably won't even have to leave cleric stance

that's simply not the case with a warrior

and i have yet to hear of a warrior claiming to outdps bane'd scholar dots/holy spam on trash packs - probably because that isn't possible

[wonka11]

the same thing that makes paladins better in titan and coil is the same thing that makes them better in farm content - they require less heals

Simply untrue. I wish this annoying statement would just stop being claimed. The ridiculousness of this position comes simply from an egocentric view of the game which does not take into account healer abilities and their +% to healing as well as their maximum healing amounts when in the right gear.

Concisely put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Again, perfect example of flawed theory crafting gone awry in practicality.

[Exstal]

Simply untrue. I wish this annoying statement would just stop being claimed. The ridiculousness of this position comes simply from an egocentric view of the game which does not take into account healer abilities and their +% to healing as well as their maximum healing amounts when in the right gear.

Simply put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Again, perfect example of flawed theory crafting gone awry in practicality.

Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off but, you're saying that Warrior is easier to heal than Paladin? If so, I supposed all those dedicated healers who say otherwise must clearly be wrong.

[Amas]

Simply put it is less effective to heal a Paladin tank as their lower HP results in more overhealing. Warriors on the other hand benefit from the maximum of each classes increased healing ability (their own, the healers, and any additional auras) which then result in far great amounts healed with far less over healing and agro strain on the healers.

Uh... what?

You're cherrypicking your own facts/scenarios to make the picture look rosier, but what you're saying simply isn't true.

There's no reason to overheal a PLD on farm-tier content, as there's nothing capable of spiking them hard enough to worry about keeping HP topped off. A PLD has far more HP than a healer can recover in a single cast, and there's virtually zero risk of death letting a PLD drop low enough to prevent overhealing even on a crit cure spell. More realistically, thanks to the flat damage-taken profile and CDs to cover predictable damage spikes, a healer can pop proactive heals (Regen, Stoneskin, Adloquium, etc.) on a PLD and ignore them for the most part.

There's no reduced efficiency to healing a PLD, and even in Sword Oath they take less damage than a WAR.

[AylaYukihana]

If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.

I heard PLD tanking often get around 120 dps.. so if he's pulling up to 180 dps in tanking stance thats a pretty big difference.

Also, 3 dps is bad since there's no way to guarantee aggro and thus, control of the fight/boss positioning etc, not only that, they suffer due to much less defense and will take massive damage, causing inefficient heal spam etc.

[Ariyn]

I heard PLD tanking often get around 120 dps.. so if he's pulling up to 180 dps in tanking stance thats a pretty big difference.

I'm averaging around 140-150 dps in Shield Oath in coil ... so him doing 180 isn't that much of a boost. Not to mention I can promise you I would take a ton less damage then his setup. There is no reason what so ever outside of blowing through lowbie content for a war to try to max out str. They have enough tanking issues why add in more

Last but not least, paladins will never be as good at farming lower teir instances as Warrior. I pull 2-3 packs in AK on my warrior while Aoeing to hold agro with Overpower [Deals damage] (something a paladin can't do) while our BM and Bard blow the pack up. I deal significantly more damage than any paladin doing what is my basic AOE overpower, and I also deal more damage doing my basic agro rotations on single targets than paladins do. If paladins want to attempt to keep up, they have to go out of their way to break their 1-2-3 rotation to deal more damage than their normal rotation provides, which messes with their agro when attempting to hold down packs with high damage AOE classes.

Congrats. You can out damage a PLD. Too bad your job isn't about damage. Your job is to mitigate damage not deal it. Something that most war's don't seem to comprehend. War's have the tools they need to do so (provided they do need a little buff imo) but if you prefer to go full str then you are only adding salt to the wound. People don't want WARs because they already take more mp to keep up and instead of doing everything you can to fix the problem you're adding to it