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    Jonjey's Avatar
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    Jon Jey
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    Pugilist Lv 50

    PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

    It's a fact. Everything else in the game suffers from having a PLD tank. If PLD and WAR can both tank CM, Prae, Wanderer's Palace, Amdapor Keep, Ifrit, and Garuda, and WAR does more damage(by a lot) than PLD, why would anyone want a PLD for those activities? Personally, I run a full STR setup on my war(30 STR alotment, full DL STR accessories, Bravura+1, Heavy Darksteel Armor with 5 Skill Speed IV in it, etc.) and have absolutely no problems main tanking everything mentioned above except for Garuda, which would be best to have a full VIT WAR main tank, while the STR WAR would be the best possible option you could ever have for an off tank, as I parse very similar numbers to every DD, while being able to hold the sisters for them at the same time.
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    Jon Jey
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    Pt. 2: This is another reason I feel WAR is best suited for full STR rather than full VIT. Warrior excels at tanking easier content, it's FAR better for easier content than PLD is, as it does twice the damage and is still easily able to tank all of the content. For this easier content there are very few situations you'll ever need the 7k HP obtained through a full VIT set up, Garuda main tanking being the only real choice for full VIT. Go DPS for Titan, I parsed 160 dps on Warrior pre-Bravura in full DL str accessories with a bunch of peltast/hoplite gear on and Garuda Axe. Now I have Bravura+1 with HQ Darksteel body, about to get pants with 5 Determination IV materia in them, and parse around 170-180 on things like Garuda where I don't have to keep defiance up the entire time. I main tank Ifrit in this setup with no problems once so ever, I main tank AK and TWP in this setup with no problems once so ever. It speeds up our runs by a ton and that is a very nice thing.
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    Krael Bastion
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonjey View Post
    Warrior excels at tanking easier content, it's FAR better for easier content than PLD is, as it does twice the damage
    Dat hyperbole.

    It's been proven many times the difference in DPS is no where near the level you are making it out to be.
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    Goleeb Lonwoerdsyn
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    Malboro
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    Gladiator Lv 50

    Have you actually run the numbers or is this just how you feel ?

    If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadRNG View Post
    Dat hyperbole.

    It's been proven many times the difference in DPS is no where near the level you are making it out to be.
    I parse almost everything and have had well geared relic pld's tanking titan compared to (the same person) well geared relic war tanking titan both in full vit gear and both in their respective tanking stance, every single time his WAR parsed about 1.5x more damage than his PLD. That's close enough to twice the damage for me.
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    Jon Jey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goleeb View Post
    If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.
    It's good to have an actual tank.
    And yes I parse very often.
    Also another note to add is I run this setup in Duty Finder as well as with my FC for things, and even in Duty Finder with full AF whm's, they have no problem keeping me alive. I've actually been told multiple times that my WAR was easier to keep alive than most. I have no way to confirm or deny that it's true, but I've heard it around 6 times from completely different people.
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    Ralkon Kon'lai
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    Shiva
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Jonjey you dont need to prove anything, both WAR and PLD are useful for their own reasons. Some content is easier with WAR some other with PLD. The reason most people bash WAR is because most people dont know how to play properly and utilize their skills. PLD is easier for newbie players to handle.
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    Raimo Lihas
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 50
    If the sustained damage is low enough and you are geared/statted mostly for damage, WAR will require less heals than PLD. If I personally had the funds, I'd push for CRT in melds instead of DET, because you want to hit those crit IBs if you can help it in anyway.
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 70
    I really wish I had enough tomestones to try it out. Early endgame, I tried going for full DPS accessories (didn't reallocate my points though) but the main improvement I had really noticed at the time was it was much easier to hold aggro in AK (I was only in AF).
    Would be nice if you could share some DPS parse results for STR vs VIT accessories.
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    Ayla Yukihana
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Goleeb View Post
    If you want maxamum damage in ak, and dont want to waste any dps. Just run 3 dps, and its better than you as a warrior dpsing.
    I heard PLD tanking often get around 120 dps.. so if he's pulling up to 180 dps in tanking stance thats a pretty big difference.

    Also, 3 dps is bad since there's no way to guarantee aggro and thus, control of the fight/boss positioning etc, not only that, they suffer due to much less defense and will take massive damage, causing inefficient heal spam etc.
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