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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaozK View Post
    Now imagine having to manage all of those mechanics with having a base rotation that is more than just this:

    and you will get a good idea of what other classes are doing.
    a base rotation that's more than just this? I'm sorry did you somehow miss the rest of my post? or are you describing the subpar brd dps that can technically be macroed, because if so a drg has the easiest rotation EVER 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shayuki View Post
    Basically Bard:

    Straight Shot when you don't have buff or it's about to run out(Macrod with Bloodletter and Misery's End).
    Wind Bite and Venomous Bite when their cooldowns run out(Both Macrod with Bloodletter and Misery's End).
    Straight Shot proc.
    Heavy Shot(Macrod with Bloodletter and Misery's End).

    You got 4 macros. Bloodletter is used automatically, you don't even need to watch for the procs. As Summoner I have 20+ keys actively in use. Have a macro with your cooldowns. When you need to burst, spam that macro until all your CDs are used and then go back to spamming your 4 keys.

    Black Mage is similarly simple, though they still have to look for the procs. I'd recommend neither of the melee classes. Both require good positioning and have complex rotations. I also wouldn't recommend Summoner. Probably the most difficult DPS class to control currently.
    You might want to read my post on actual brd dps, you missed a few key aspects of the bard rotation, also using macros like that isn't really good, what's better? using bloodletter which won't be refreshed for 1s, and delaying your heavy shot by 1s or using heavy shot which technically has higher potency than bloodletter? Hint: higher potency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkiei View Post
    a base rotation that's more than just this? I'm sorry did you somehow miss the rest of my post? or are you describing the subpar brd dps that can technically be macroed, because if so a drg has the easiest rotation EVER 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3.
    Oh contraire, this is dragoons heavy shot.

    This is dragoons base rotation: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn

    Hooray for class ignorance.
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    I guess you're one of those individuals who is incapable of reading the subtle art known as sarcasm, how unfortunate. The "1-2-3" I was referring to was the True Thrust - Vorpal Thrust - Full Thrust combo, because spamming that over and over while ignoring your buffs/DoTs is essentially the same thing as doing with the brd what you outlined, and completely ignoring the weaving of all the off-the-gcd abilities. Similarly you made no allusions to the fact that bards have to manage buffs with CDs, I'd assume it's very similar with Drgs as to when you do clip your DoTs and when you do not.

    My point is that if you want to oversimplify a brd rotation, then yes what you posted does make sense, however you're ignoring many off the GCD skills including one with a positional requirement and those are the ones that add complexity to the rotation. If you think about it, you can do SOME dps 1-2-3ing on your drg, it's just not as good as the full rotation, the same can be said as brd with your 9-7-2-spam 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkiei View Post
    I guess you're one of those individuals who is incapable of reading the subtle art known as sarcasm, how unfortunate. The "1-2-3" I was referring to was the True Thrust - Vorpal Thrust - Full Thrust combo, because spamming that over and over while ignoring your buffs/DoTs is essentially the same thing as doing with the brd what you outlined, and completely ignoring the weaving of all the off-the-gcd abilities. Similarly you made no allusions to the fact that bards have to manage buffs with CDs, I'd assume it's very similar with Drgs as to when you do clip your DoTs and when you do not.
    You dont seem to understand why i was comparing drgs 1-2-3 combo to Brds heavy shot. Both base rotations do the same only that DRGs is more complex, the 1-2-3 part in DRGs rotation meets the same role as Heavy shot does in Bards rotation.

    This is bards base rotation:
    Straight shot = Buff

    Wind Bite
    Venomous Bite = DOTs

    Straight Shot = Main attack

    This is Dragoons base rotation in its most basic form:

    Heavy thrust (flank) = Buff

    Phlebotomize
    Fracture
    Impulse Drive (Rear)->Disembovel->Chaos Thrust = DOTs

    True Thrust->Vorpal Thrust->Full Thrust = Main attack

    If you say that 1-2-3 is DRGs rotation then Heavy shot is bards rotation, which is why your comment was nonsense. No matter how you slice and dice it, Bards base rotation is really the simplest in the game. I also find funny how you keep on mentioning off GCD skills because every class has to weave in oGCDs in between their attacks and its especially funny because DRG has by far the most out of all classes (mainly due to a wide array of jumps).
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    Last edited by ChaozK; 10-16-2013 at 01:43 PM.