DD Nerfed

[Shiyo]

DD was broken. How could you say otherwise? It had the potential to give 5-8 times more exp than anything in the game once every 30-45 minutes.

There are many fates that can be abused the same way, like any item turn in fate. That why this it's so confusing why they nerfed a single one, when there's numerous others, two being in the EXACT SAME ZONE AS DD, that can be abused in the same way.

All I can say is 'good'. That fate was nothing but a free ride to 50 and spawned a lot of toxic behaviour. I've only done it once and I killed the lambs, I didn't care.

"Free ride", logging into the game is basically a free ride to 50. Doing any fate in the world and leveling off fates is a free ride, how is nerfing one single fate going to change anything?

It's not.

They should've hotfixed in a 400% leve and 600% dungeon + hunting log exp boost as well. That is dev time well spent, not nerfing something that can be done in hundreds of fate all over the world.

@Shiyo - If it can be done at FATEs in every other zone in the entire game world, then explain to me please why it's *not* being done there already, in any way that compares to DD? It's not like 46-50 is the only grind in existence; any of the classes become a grind after about 25-30 if you don't have quests available to help speed it along.

People aren't smart, that's why. You can do the earth sprite item turn in fate in the same zone as DD and farm the eles for 20 mins for insane experience as well. There's tons of fates like that all over the place, people just don't take advantage of them.

[Eightbit]

If I remember right they just said that it wasn't an exploit. Meant that it protected the players from getting banned if they were abusing the FATE in the way it was. Didn't say that it wouldn't be a design flaw that's ought to be fixed eventually though.

I am feeling this way as well. The initial comment from SE was to more or less to convey they weren't going to be even looking at players doing the event as possible exploiters. But this nerf shows it was an abused fate.

As for the turn in fates that also can be abused for larg exp, I feel there is still a large difference between any of them and DD. First DD still gave gold for just killing, turn ins still require turning in the drops to get credit. This makes it much harder to change how those fates work as limiting spawns makes them much more exclusive.

[SolviteSekai]

I'm lazy.

Maybe you should stop complaining that you have to level 2 weeks instead of 1 week.

Man how did you even play games before 2008?

[Malamasala]

There are many fates that can be abused the same way, like any item turn in fate. That why this it's so confusing why they nerfed a single one, when there's numerous others, two being in the EXACT SAME ZONE AS DD, that can be abused in the same way.

Yea, It was nice that there was one fate in the whole game where people used their brains to get good exp. Now we are back to wasting good exp because we don't want to bother with strategies for exp.

[AridElf]

"Free ride", logging into the game is basically a free ride to 50. Doing any fate in the world and leveling off fates is a free ride, how is nerfing one single fate going to change anything?

It's not.

They should've hotfixed in a 400% leve and 600% dungeon + hunting log exp boost as well. That is dev time well spent, not nerfing something that can be done in hundreds of fate all over the world.

DD was by far the biggest abused fate because of the spawn rate and the exp per kill. I took my girlfriend through Northern Thanalan for her hunting logs and there were at least 50 people sitting where DD spawns waiting for it. They were still there 2 hours later as we passed by to leave the zone.

Leves are fine and dungeons are getting changed in the future, not like the fate farmers even do dungeons anyway.

Nerfing DD was a step in the right direction if you ask me, I'm very optimistic for future changes.

[Appleh4x]

DD was by far the biggest abused fate because of the spawn rate and the exp per kill. I took my girlfriend through Northern Thanalan for her hunting logs and there were at least 50 people sitting where DD spawns waiting for it. They were still there 2 hours later as we passed by to leave the zone...

Nerfing DD was a step in the right direction if you ask me, I'm very optimistic for future changes.

I call BS, or you just ran into a gathering of bots. For the last few weeks materia has been my main source of income, and I regularly partied up for DD. It is rare to see more than a handful of people waiting for it to pop, and they only go there after it's been at least 30 mins since the last pop. You said you've only done it once, and you griefed by killing the lambs so I already can tell that your eyes may have been playing tricks on you so you can "see what you want to see" regarding the fate.

[Ralemont]

and you griefed by killing the lambs so I already can tell that your eyes may have been playing tricks on you so you can "see what you want to see" regarding the fate.

That completing the objective is considered "griefing" illustrates why this change is welcome.

And to those saying the grind was slow enough already even with DD: are you serious? Because you can't be.

[Appleh4x]

That completing the objective is considered "griefing" illustrates why this change is welcome.

And to those saying the grind was slow enough already even with DD: are you serious? Because you can't be.

It is griefing when it is apparently obvious as to what you should be doing as per all the other people at the fate. I've never seen anyone cussed out for mistakenly killing a lamb, the few times I have been there while lambs were attacked people just shouted "please don't kill lambs, farm trash for xp," or rarely it was just someone griefing to get a rise. If someone is griefing, I, and many others just blist them and move on.

[Ralemont]

It is griefing when it is apparently obvious as to what you should be doing as per all the other people at the fate. I've never seen anyone cussed out for mistakenly killing a lamb

That the obvious thing to do is the opposite of what the game tells you to do illustrates why this change is welcome.

We aren't disagreeing, but you're pointing out why people should know better, and I'm pointing out why it's ridiculous to begin with.

Actually, there is one thing with which I disagree. PLENTY of people get cussed out, named-and-shamed for killing lambs because it's their first time in the zone and they don't know how the community pseudo-exploits it to get EXP. If they have a chat tab like I do to filter out any chat except party, LS, and FC, then they may not even be aware of the shouts telling them to stop. Then again, Ultros is known for shout drama apparently.

Edit: To Shiyo: I agree they need to make dungeons the best way to gain EXP, preferably through a combination of buffing dungeons some and nerfing fates some. When they designed the game I'm sure they set the difficulty of FATEs with WAY less people playing in mind (imagine if FATEs only attracted 1/2 the current amount of players. The EXP wouldn't be quite so ridiculous).

That being said, it really has nothing to do with this nerf except indirectly, in a they-should-have-spent-their-time-on-this-hotfix kind of way.

[Appleh4x]

That the obvious thing to do is the opposite of what the game tells you to do illustrates why this change is welcome...
Actually, there is one thing with which I disagree. PLENTY of people get cussed out, named-and-shamed for killing lambs because it's their first time in the zone and they don't know how the community pseudo-exploits it to get EXP. If they have a chat tab like I do to filter out any chat except party, LS, and FC, then they may not even be aware of the shouts telling them to stop.

Filtering out shouts is ridiculously foolish, people should learn to blist faster if they have RMT woes. Bad behavior is bad behavior, griefing a fate by ending it early is the same as being the guy cussing someone out for an honest mistake and I would blist them both, as any mature person would. Avoiding conflict in game will take people far