Why does it take a minimum of 2 weeks to get 1 piece of Myth Tome gear?

[Machazareel]

Yes, why dont we just give you all the best gear in a couple months... Casual players wanting welfare have ruined mmo's.

I find that people too stupid to know what welfare actually means ruin things more. By being so incredibly stupid.

[Devilray]

I find that people too stupid to know what welfare actually means ruin things more. By being so incredibly stupid.

I do not see your point if you are saying I'm one of those people? You think giving free gear out for spamming an easy dungeon is challenging and not "aiding" the lazy masses of people who dont want to get gear the real way?

[Machazareel]

I do not see your point if you are saying I'm one of those people?

You are implying that people who want to be able to work *more* to get their gear are asking for welfare. Think about that. The cap serves no other purpose than to block progression. Which is completely understandable, because the game is new. But wanting to be allowed to grind beyond the allotted amount is not welfare.

I thinking slowing progression is fine, but I get really annoyed by people completely misusing words because it's a catchphrase coined by forumites of another game and now applies to "Not doing it the way I think it should be done."

[Zellata]

You are implying that people who want to be able to work *more* to get their gear are asking for welfare. Think about that. The cap serves no other purpose than to block progression. Which is completely understandable, because the game is new. But wanting to be allowed to grind beyond the allotted amount is not welfare.

Not quite - you can get gear the hard way by doing coil or the easy way by grinding tomes. Asking for easy way to be made even more convenient is asking for welfare.

[HiCectoCooler]

artificial padding to the game to prevent you from canceling your sub because they want to extend your game play because obvious lack of content in the game.

The only person up to this point that "gets it."

Yes, why dont we just give you all the best gear in a couple months... Casual players wanting welfare have ruined mmo's.

And "people" not understanding what constitutes a casual player nor welfare gear isn't helping matters. The tokens still have to be obtained, whether it takes X months because of an artificial cap or X days because of the lack of one, doesn't mean anything about the level of play nor the playtime of a player.

As well, it's not casuals that are ruining MMORPGs, it's idiots.

[MomoOG]

The only person up to this point that "gets it."



And "people" not understanding what constitutes a casual player nor welfare gear isn't helping matters. The tokens still have to be obtained, whether it takes X months because of an artificial cap or X days because of the lack of one, doesn't mean anything about the level of play nor the playtime of a player.

As well, it's not casuals that are ruining MMORPGs, it's idiots.

Actually its you who doesn't "get it". By slowing the ability to get myth gear it gives an incentive to tackle actual hard content like Coil. If you could just grind out myth gear (equivalent of best gear) quickly by doing a easy content like AK then it is welfare because you are circumventing hard content to get the best gear.

[Devilray]

Actual its you who doesn't "get it". By slowing the ability to get myth gear it gives an incentive to tackle actual hard content like Coil. If you could just grind out myth gear (equivalent of best gear) quickly by doing a easy content like AK then it is welfare because you are circumventing hard content to get the best gear.

Someone hits it on the nail. Thank you.

You are implying that people who want to be able to work *more* to get their gear are asking for welfare. Think about that. The cap serves no other purpose than to block progression. Which is completely understandable, because the game is new. But wanting to be allowed to grind beyond the allotted amount is not welfare.

I thinking slowing progression is fine, but I get really annoyed by people completely misusing words because it's a catchphrase coined by forumites of another game and now applies to "Not doing it the way I think it should be done."

I am going off the fact that you are defending someone that wants gear to be retrieved faster from simply grinding tomes... and the myth cap increased to access the highest lvl gear even faster.

Why are you giving so much credit for grinding tomes?? That **** is a joke because anyone and their Mom can grind tomes. There's a reason why not everyone makes it to turn 5, yet the amount of people that complete the myth cap is basically the whole server population... You are only going considering the time invested into grinding tomes. I'm going by actual merit and ability, and skill. It takes no skill to grind tomes, and the amount of time and stress to grind is NOTHING compared to defeating a hard raid that requires at least 8 people to be in perfect coordination. There should be no lvl 90 gear available except from coil, but they have made it available for anyone with a pea brain that can do AK. In conclusion, this token system is not necessary and should not even be used. It is just free "give me" system that allows more casuals to eventually get geared with no hard effort. Even the the relic quest is a bit too easy, and I believe that there should have been more weapon options before the relic was even possible to achieve. Probably beat Coil, then you can get a relic would have made more sense. It only takes 3 weeks to basically achieve the best weapon for your class, go figure. All you have to do is beat a Titan lag-fest fight with 8 non-retarded people.

To conclude this and TLDR, yes it is considered work to grind tomes. But, you must realize that anyone can grind tomes, and it only takes a few hours. A raid takes a few hours as well, and even more when a FC is learning the fights. Which one requires more work? Getting 8 people to learn multiple fights with multiple mechanices, or running a dungeon mindlessly with random people for a few hours every week? Hmmm? Who wants less work for the same reward? I wonder.

[Spanky]

I'm Sorry, Next time they will just give you the gear and make this game even more casual than it already is. Their mistake.

[Stryker]

I do not see your point if you are saying I'm one of those people? You think giving free gear out for spamming an easy dungeon is challenging and not "aiding" the lazy masses of people who dont want to get gear the real way?

Good god you are daft. Welfare is for people who can't do anything for themselves. The OP is saying why should it take 2 weeks minimum to get anything? Casual players would take the 2 weeks regardless maybe a week and a half if the cap wasn't there because they wouldn't have time to put into the game. Hence the term casual. Hardcore players would be able to get all their AF2 pieces within a month which they aren't able to do now.

Welfare is when you get something for free without having to work for it. Last I checked, if you got rid of the cap, you'd still have to earn the tomes from doing AK runs or whatever form you choose to use for your myth tomes. You saying that this is welfare is basically like saying your paycheck for the work you did was welfare. Terrible argument and makes you look like a douche.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/14...stance-frenzy/

Here is a form of welfare and what happens when systems go wrong. This is free handouts taken to the extreme.

[shikarin]

Good god you are daft. Welfare is for people who can't do anything for themselves. The OP is saying why should it take 2 weeks minimum to get anything? Casual players would take the 2 weeks regardless maybe a week and a half if the cap wasn't there because they wouldn't have time to put into the game. Hence the term casual. Hardcore players would be able to get all their AF2 pieces within a month which they aren't able to do now.

This just in: now there is such a thing as a hardcore newb.

As other people have said: want to work for your gear and get them faster? Run and clear coil.